Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

khorum_sl said:

You're gonna want +sentry on the rucksack. The TNT should be your priority tho. Also I've been playing with the toxin gem all night (and Ill keep playing with it for now) but it's definitely not better than powerful or zeis or enforcer... as a 3rd maybe but since you only have two id slot in enforcer.

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yeah TnT is the priority for kadala, I don't have a those gems yet (enforcer /zei) but yeah, a better gem selection is a must.

Im not sure if I should take my gift and use it on that 1hander, I have an etrayu aswell that if I used it on would be around 2700dps.

I am not sure what makes one go bow over 1h, im assuming to hit some BP, currently im at 2.16 for myself (same for pets till TnT I think?) then with TnT your pets can hit the next breaking point or something.

No, save your gift.

You could craft an arcane barb xbow that will outperform that 1h, but even if you roll a super awesome one, save your gift for a 2700+ etrayu.

The cold DH build should really be called the "Cluster-Arrow-Ballistics-Crit-Porn" build since it started out exploiting the synergy between the 100% rockets buff from ballistics and the maelstrom rune on CA. Thing is CA relies heavily on base weapon damage and is NOT influenced by IAS at all. So if you craft an arcane barb with the highest topend white damage and it already has int and 10%dmg on it, you can maybe entertain using the gift on that. But I'd save it for a dope etrayu.

+ sentry damage on shoulders/chest/rucksack. Multi-shot is more damage than cluster arrow, so I would enchant that on boots/helm (6% crit is priority on helm though). A good unbound bolt or arcane barb will out damage your nat slayer (1 hand xbows are only really viable at the 4.15 break point).

TecKnoe_sl said:

yeah TnT is the priority for kadala, I don't have a those gems yet (enforcer /zei) but yeah, a better gem selection is a must.

Im not sure if I should take my gift and use it on that 1hander, I have an etrayu aswell that if I used it on would be around 2700dps.

I am not sure what makes one go bow over 1h, im assuming to hit some BP, currently im at 2.16 for myself (same for pets till TnT I think?) then with TnT your pets can hit the next breaking point or something.

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Bane of the trapped and enforcer are easily the best two gems for dh, the third is up for debate though. Bane of the powerful is of course nice, but once you get into the higher grifts its not always up so ppl have been trying things like zei's/toxin/pain enhancer.

I finally got a shitty jeram last night (75%), but it's pretty crazy how much more damage pets start doing with that shit. Next stop = TNT, then try again for a better jeram lol

Deathwing_sl said:

Do they do 75% more damage?

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I dunno bro, do they?

The point was how much of a DPS increase 1 item gives.

mures_sl said:

Bane of the trapped and enforcer are easily the best two gems for dh, the third is up for debate though. Bane of the powerful is of course nice, but once you get into the higher grifts its not always up so ppl have been trying things like zei's/toxin/pain enhancer.

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Zei's is baller but you have to get your turrets at 50 yards for it to be prime (its not like steady aim where they all get it if you are X yards out -- tested/confirmed). Effort required.

Pain enhancer has some shit going on for DHs right now... keeping that to myself! It requires a TON of gear .

I'm not sure destroying the turret build is a great idea.. its not the best build for speed farming (which is actually a very important part of the game). It's just that damage layering is always going to be king in greaters and other classes need more layering tools/existing ones buffed or even better items that improve layering (notice how most of the "OPness" is a result of getting extremely rare/well rolled items). I'd say almost 0 demon hunters I play with in pub games have anything close to a good setup. Damage layering power like this should exist in the game, but require... all kinds of uber well rolled shit. I feel like this is currently the case and more classes need something like it. The alternative is remove it and make changes to bursty builds to push GR 40+... NOT a good idea as it will create extremely stupid speed clearing potential.


tl;dr more classes need items that help them layer damage so they can compete with DHs in greaters... ie call of ancients summons an army of ancients / rend can stack infinitely... shit like that.

What kind of gear? I got what could be some gg physical slave bonds and a physical cameo.

I got a physical SOJ last night so I'm back to my Physical WW/RLTW build. I was blasting through T6 pretty easily last night.

Helltrapper worth farming as a high end M6 option?

I hear that is procs off Immolation Arrow DoT and makes it good.

Needless_sl said:

I finally got a shitty jeram last night (75%), but it's pretty crazy how much more damage pets start doing with that shit. Next stop = TNT, then try again for a better jeram lol

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Maybe it was because I found a Jeram first, but the TNT damage improvement was crazy when I finally did get one.

khorum_sl said:

No, save your gift.

You could craft an arcane barb xbow that will outperform that 1h, but even if you roll a super awesome one, save your gift for a 2700+ etrayu.

The cold DH build should really be called the "Cluster-Arrow-Ballistics-Crit-Porn" build since it started out exploiting the synergy between the 100% rockets buff from ballistics and the maelstrom rune on CA. Thing is CA relies heavily on base weapon damage and is NOT influenced by IAS at all. So if you craft an arcane barb with the highest topend white damage and it already has int and 10%dmg on it, you can maybe entertain using the gift on that. But I'd save it for a dope etrayu.

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I don't think ill ever get an etrayu that is 2700 dps, the one I I have is 2450 or so, itd probably be 26-2700 after I enchanted it but, the 1 hand might be close to 3k if I do that one.

if I put on my etrayu I think im at 2.14 APS lol.. so basically I should be using a bow regardless of if I can hit 2.16? and its only worth (using 1h) to reach the highest BP wich needs TnT + AS on all pieces?

I can try farming a helltrapper ive seen some top DHs using that as a wep how do you guys feel about that?

Is it 2450 with ias on it? Id say take a screen but you dont really need to--that etrayu is better than the 1h is every way. The only 1h's Id consider are calamity and helltrapper (and those only when together).

Neither have been enchanted.

I haven't done any testing on my own, but the consensus is the only time 1h xbow beats etrayu is when it is a calamity and you're reaching the 4.15bp. The only reason it is even possible with calamity is because of the mark for death. A well rolled helltrapper is probably pretty decent because it can place up to 2 more sentries over your cap, but I'm guessing it would only be about equal to etrayu with 6-7 sentries out and less dps all other times.

cool ill blow the gift on this etrayu if I ever find one better Im sure another gift will have been picked up since itl be a while before I find one better.

I'm still on 2.0.6 over on console, and can't wait for at least 2.1, and maybe 2.1.1 you guys just got.

However, I got a Eberli Charo shield on my Crusader and wanted to try it out, so I kept FotF on, switched to Ascendancy rune on Heaven's Fury, and then slotted in Fist of Heavens - Divine Well. So still keeping all Holy damage. I'm sure this build sucks for T6, or Grifts when we get 2.1, but damn, this is damn more fun than Holy Shotgun, and like Deathwing had been talking about, there is very little "aiming" , basically none at all. With my 50% CDR already for AC, Heaven's Fury is up all the time, and with the 3 beams, it's just plowing down mobs.