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Sabbat
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I tried the capstone on my summoner/bonespear necro at 58. I got to the final boss and everything was a one shot and I took a single bar off him before he basically screenwiped me. Tried again at 65 and cleared the place without a single death. Last boss was still pretty crazy, lots of really close calls but I was smashing his life bar.
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Mist
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I think this is intended. 50 is basically the pre-endgame.
They did a good job making it feel like the "real game" starts at 50 instead of starting at 100.
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Mist
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I did the capstone dungeon at level 62. I've seen people do it at 61 solo.
However, the lowest level mobs in Tier 4 are level 73, and they hit twice as hard, so you're not going to jump straight into tier 4 until 65 or 66.
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So did anyone else have a Monty python holy hand grenade moment when donan says "turn the wheel 3 times, no more, no less" in a5.
Leadsalad
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Fat jogger crying over the loss of his dipshit son. I hated that character.
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Cinge
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Some dont even have a boss. Just destroy 3 things, or free 6 prisoners etc. Not all end in a narrow walkway to a boss.
The ones I hate the most is "Clear all mobs", so annoying. I like objective ones, cause I can just run past all the stupid bow/ranged mobs that like to kite me and find rares/bosses and objectives.
The only thing that changes is map layout and affixes. Basically normal ARPG behavior.
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Needless
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nah i was too annoyed by having to run back because you cant TP with the quicksilver in your inventory or it drops it.
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AladainAF
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I didn't say doing it was wrong. You're just gimping your own power, and taking a much longer time than you need to. The classes are clearly balanced to be played together. Every class has some kind of synergy with another class, so your abilities are a certain level of power "because" the expectation that at least one of the synergies will take place. It also overcomes the level scaling for the most part. If you want to make the game take longer to experience solely due to basic friction, I mean, go for it.
I'm going to flat out disagree with you that dungeon runs are 1-2 minutes maximum. It's a lot longer than that. There are some that are short, sure. But a lot of them are not, and you're also not accounting for the fact that not every waypoint has a stash or anvil, so if you go from one dungeon to another one, and neither place has a stash and/or anvil, you need to pit-stop to the main town, and walk to the left of the portal into some house to handle the stash, then to the right of the portal to some building to handle the anvil, bring up the map, find the waypoint to port to, port to it then run to the map on a horse that's going to get hung up on every pebble and rubberband for 5 seconds after every area change. It's pure grift in the name of content. It serves no artistic purpose whatsoever, and exists for no other reason than to take longer to accomplish basic tasks. I will bet you that this is one of the first things that gets changed. Or, perhaps you're Chris Wilson, and want us to feel the burden of our inventory. If that's the case, then there's even less of a reason to play D4 unless you simply like the slower pace.
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AladainAF
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Chimney
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They are mostly copy pasta with aesthetics by region from what I see. Very limited boss types at the end with a few variations of kill X to complete as well.
The game didn't force anything, but there is zero chance I personally go back to do any sort of map chores once the new game smell wears off and having the completion bonuses is worth it for the future.
Also the "tons of activities" does not exist anywhere in this game. PvPvE zone, Helltide/Legion, 3 World Boss & Nightmare Dungeons all of which share the same exact 12 versions of events with a similar number of NPC types. You're literally doing the same handful of activities reskinned and no matter which flavor of shit you decide to eat first nothing changes that.
But none of that is important as it's a game about loot and blowing shit up and that part is pretty enjoyable.
AladainAF
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Because:
The dungeons in poe are random every time and to complete the dungeon objectives, you need to simply kill the map boss. You don't have stupid shit like "collect this item on the far left side, then run to the far right side to collect the 2nd item so that you can open a door that leads to an area where you must kill all the monsters in the area, then open a door to kill a boss." If you want to clear the full map in poe, it's optional. Hell, you dont even have to kill the map boss if you already have completion. But in D4, it's not optional. There's no shortcuts. You must do the "quest" for the dungeon every time.
It's far more monotonous than poe's system. It sucks too, because I actually like D4s mapping system far more than PoEs. But PoE's is definitely more fun due to how it's implemented.
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Chimney
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You could have just done it in 29 dungeons if you grouped up with 4.
Yeah, but then I'd have to be social.
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GuardianX
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Dude it was super projected too when you meet them.
"OH MAN WHAT EMOTIONAL HOOK THEY GUNNA USE TO GET ME TO CARE ABOUT CHARACTERS??"
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AladainAF
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On a side note, Torchlight doesn't charge anything for respecs until level 80, and even then getting respec points is laughably easy. You have full knowledge of your build working well before level 80 and are free to experiment. It's a good system as well, just like LAs.
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Gravel
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This is the part where some shitlord comes in and says "welcome to ARPGs."
Anyway, I appreciate the feedback from you and Aladain (and Voldeth in discord). I was very much waffling on it but I wanted to give people time to give opinions that aren't new game smell. And it sounds like it's really going to be a play for a week and forget about it forever type of game.
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