amigo
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M$ employee perhaps? Try replacing rererolled with windos10 in his posts.
Nothing against the guy, but he's approaching Column's peak levels of circle jerk in Marvel/DC related threads.
Draegan sold the site to MMORPG.com
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Nothing against the guy, but he's approaching Column's peak levels of circle jerk in Marvel/DC related threads.
Enzee
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Hodj, I'm already registered on the other board. I'm already posting there. You are doing way more harm then good if your goal is to actually keep the community together. Shut the god damned fuck up, you do not possess the cognitive ability to understand the discussion happening here.
You did not address any of the actual concerns or points brought up by the majority of people in this thread. You have simply shitposted angry bullshit.
I wasn't even angry in my last post and you told me I was. Now I actually am. Well done.
I have nothing against a_skeleton_03. I've talked to him in PMs a handful of times, and he's always been cool with me. I honestly have missed all the 'shitposting' he seems to do, because I don't frequent those threads. In the threads we converge in, he's always been level headed and reasonable, to me anyway. I think we'd get along irl pretty well, for example. I trust him to run the new forums well and am excited for that.
The point most of us, such as Thengel, are trying to make is there was a BETTER way to handle this.
Everyone keeps saying that craig is gonna flip his shit about SS, the porn, etc.. when they specifically said they don't care. They said they'd change this site if traffic drops to PRACTICALLY NOTHING. i.e. if none of us are here anymore, so we wouldn't even care. If even 20% of the userbase were still here, they wouldn't change it. Why the fuck everyone takes that statement as 'see? they are gonna boot us all out if we stay!' is so fucking stupid, I just can't understand how you got to that point. So many morons making claims that have no basis in reality then telling the rest of us WE are delusional is so fucking LOL.
What will probably happen now, is about 70% of the userbase will move over and continue on as if nothing happened. We will lose some of our historic and amazing threads that are enshrined here. We will lose a portion of the lurkers and occasional posters who don't keep up with the daily drama. If you think that's the ideal scenario, then there's no point talking to you. You have a reality in your head that this doesn't fit with, so you'll reject it completely.
My point, and others who have agreed with me, is that there was a way to do this that might have kept 100% of the userbase together and all of the history. Instead, you played chicken little and convinced a large enough portion that you were right and now there's no going back. That is, unless we manage to get ahold of this forum's data and accounts in some way, which I'm still hoping for.
You did not address any of the actual concerns or points brought up by the majority of people in this thread. You have simply shitposted angry bullshit.
I wasn't even angry in my last post and you told me I was. Now I actually am. Well done.
I have nothing against a_skeleton_03. I've talked to him in PMs a handful of times, and he's always been cool with me. I honestly have missed all the 'shitposting' he seems to do, because I don't frequent those threads. In the threads we converge in, he's always been level headed and reasonable, to me anyway. I think we'd get along irl pretty well, for example. I trust him to run the new forums well and am excited for that.
The point most of us, such as Thengel, are trying to make is there was a BETTER way to handle this.
Everyone keeps saying that craig is gonna flip his shit about SS, the porn, etc.. when they specifically said they don't care. They said they'd change this site if traffic drops to PRACTICALLY NOTHING. i.e. if none of us are here anymore, so we wouldn't even care. If even 20% of the userbase were still here, they wouldn't change it. Why the fuck everyone takes that statement as 'see? they are gonna boot us all out if we stay!' is so fucking stupid, I just can't understand how you got to that point. So many morons making claims that have no basis in reality then telling the rest of us WE are delusional is so fucking LOL.
What will probably happen now, is about 70% of the userbase will move over and continue on as if nothing happened. We will lose some of our historic and amazing threads that are enshrined here. We will lose a portion of the lurkers and occasional posters who don't keep up with the daily drama. If you think that's the ideal scenario, then there's no point talking to you. You have a reality in your head that this doesn't fit with, so you'll reject it completely.
My point, and others who have agreed with me, is that there was a way to do this that might have kept 100% of the userbase together and all of the history. Instead, you played chicken little and convinced a large enough portion that you were right and now there's no going back. That is, unless we manage to get ahold of this forum's data and accounts in some way, which I'm still hoping for.
Flipmode
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I agree with your points. Hodj's point was that even if Craig was content to let this place run as is for now, the fact that we aren't in control of our own forums is the underlying issue. Granted, with Draegan owning the forums, we never did control them. But at least he was one of us. I think that was their main point of contention. If I am wrong, believe me Hodj will set you straight in 5 consecutive posts.
The community is what it is with all of our flaws. I would welcome Draegan even.
If there are enough complaints about legitimate concerns he will be dealt with. We actually have some very interesting tools for that over there.
joz123
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So the fact that this site has been run like shit for months with no updates and constant errors is fine to keep dealing with when the alternative is 100x better? Also you guys need to stop living in the past. Grow the fuck up and move on from FoH.
Nester
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What are you even checking here? No bumps in general for the month of August, 2 bumps in other games?
This shits dead, only activity on this site is hodj spazzing and thinking he needs to respond to every post on a dead forum.
(Don't respond to this one please)
hodj
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"There was a better way to handle this"
No, there wasn't.
There's some pie in the sky fantasy world in your head where we all remain on a shitty website owned by a third party that has a fraction of the modern functionality this forum has simply because moving makes you uncomfortable.
Things were never going to play out according to this farcical narrative you have invented in your mind.
And I want to make this clear:
EVERY SINGLE CONCERN YOU RAISED IN YOUR POST, AND RAISED BY OTHERS, HAS BEEN ADDRESSED NOT ONCE NOT TWICE BUT HUNDREDS OF TIMES NOW
So it is a blatant lie to say we aren't addressing the concerns raised.
They were addressed within hours of this starting.
You either missed it because you didn't read back that far, blocked it out because you are willfully ignorant, or you are too stupid to comprehend what you read.
It is that simple.
The list of most complaints are
1. We are afraid the community will split. This has already been refuted outright by the flood of people heading to the new site. The only way this happens even fractionally is because people get all butthurt over not getting the bullshit narrative they've built up in their head exactly the way they wanted it because the world isn't perfect, and therefore stay here. And those people would just be generating a self fulfilling prophecy easily avoided by stopping being obstinate and moving to the new site. Further, taking the chance of waiting was far riskier in terms of community cohesion. Moving as quickly as we did and as enthusiastically for the most part actually mitigates this happening to the absolute greatest extent possible.
2. We are going to lose "history". First of all, they are trying to accomodate this. In fact, now that Draegan is out of the picture, there is a small chance (get this) that we might even get the database from FOH to merge into the new site as well. The absolute worst case scenario is we lose the forum threads here. That would suck, but most people have already let that go anyway. Its actually not that big a deal.
3. Somehow a_skeleton_03 is going to screw the community over. He's worked his ass off for several days doing his best to prove you wrong. Give the guy a chance. It can't be worse than it already is.
Now, you say this
DONT YOU GET THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE WORST POSSIBLE CASE SCENARIO?That we end up with a forum that stagnates....forever....with no one giving a shit enough to even give it any attention? Do you think that MMORPG.com is going to jump to assist this site with any problems it has if it brings them no money and is just languishing at fractional user rates?
This is why this argument is so wrong headed and just silly, petty nonsense. "Oh it could have" "Oh it should have"
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a birthday party. Your fantasy of how things could have been isn't reflected by reality. Deal with it and move on.
Its just not. Yours is the fiction that doesn't match reality.
That's the issue here bub.
No, there wasn't.
There's some pie in the sky fantasy world in your head where we all remain on a shitty website owned by a third party that has a fraction of the modern functionality this forum has simply because moving makes you uncomfortable.
Things were never going to play out according to this farcical narrative you have invented in your mind.
And I want to make this clear:
EVERY SINGLE CONCERN YOU RAISED IN YOUR POST, AND RAISED BY OTHERS, HAS BEEN ADDRESSED NOT ONCE NOT TWICE BUT HUNDREDS OF TIMES NOW
So it is a blatant lie to say we aren't addressing the concerns raised.
They were addressed within hours of this starting.
You either missed it because you didn't read back that far, blocked it out because you are willfully ignorant, or you are too stupid to comprehend what you read.
It is that simple.
The list of most complaints are
1. We are afraid the community will split. This has already been refuted outright by the flood of people heading to the new site. The only way this happens even fractionally is because people get all butthurt over not getting the bullshit narrative they've built up in their head exactly the way they wanted it because the world isn't perfect, and therefore stay here. And those people would just be generating a self fulfilling prophecy easily avoided by stopping being obstinate and moving to the new site. Further, taking the chance of waiting was far riskier in terms of community cohesion. Moving as quickly as we did and as enthusiastically for the most part actually mitigates this happening to the absolute greatest extent possible.
2. We are going to lose "history". First of all, they are trying to accomodate this. In fact, now that Draegan is out of the picture, there is a small chance (get this) that we might even get the database from FOH to merge into the new site as well. The absolute worst case scenario is we lose the forum threads here. That would suck, but most people have already let that go anyway. Its actually not that big a deal.
3. Somehow a_skeleton_03 is going to screw the community over. He's worked his ass off for several days doing his best to prove you wrong. Give the guy a chance. It can't be worse than it already is.
Now, you say this
Right after you paint us a pie in the sky naive fantasy about the good will of Craig McGregor's company such that, even if this site, according to your claim based in nothing but your delusional narrative you invented in your head reading his words and taking them at face value, goes down to 20% of its average viewership, the site will just be left alone.
DONT YOU GET THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE WORST POSSIBLE CASE SCENARIO?That we end up with a forum that stagnates....forever....with no one giving a shit enough to even give it any attention? Do you think that MMORPG.com is going to jump to assist this site with any problems it has if it brings them no money and is just languishing at fractional user rates?
This is why this argument is so wrong headed and just silly, petty nonsense. "Oh it could have" "Oh it should have"
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a birthday party. Your fantasy of how things could have been isn't reflected by reality. Deal with it and move on.
Again. This is pure projection. This is how I perceive you to be. You have this fiction of a "picture perfect transition" which somehow includes us just staying here and trusting a guy none of us know to bequeth upon us near endless generosity for no reason whatsoever based on nothing but a single statement by him that can best be described as PR SPIN.
No, there is no way in any transfer that you don't lose at least someone. But the way we did this actually did mitigate these issues to the greatest extent possible, and thank you for proving my point: You have a fictional universe in your head where everything can just be made to work 100% perfect in all ways and all cases for everyone and that isn't reality. Its simply not how the real world works, enzie.
Its just not. Yours is the fiction that doesn't match reality.
That's the issue here bub.
Enzee
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right, and I understand that concern. I just don't see how that matters at all though under what we were suggesting.
Worst case scenario we spread word about the backup site and wait to see what happens (like.. even just a week, not months). IF they fuck with us somehow, in the slightest way, everyone would automatically move over regardless and we'd all be united in wanting to do that. We'd lose less people then how it went down.
Best case scenario, they end up letting a_skeleton_03 take over THIS site and improve it in exactly the same way as the new one, but with a better domain name, all the same accounts, all the same threads, no loss of userbase, etc..
hodj
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Worst case scenario is that Craig McGregor is fucking lying through his teeth, and they were already planning to shutter this place and redirect to their own forums, or he was planning on merging these forums with their forums, peddling products to us, and was able to shut down dissent, ban anyone pushing for a move elsewhere, start word filtering and link filtering links to the new site in an attempt to make money off this community.
We have no reason not to presume that is the case, considering the month long silence on even the purchase and transfer of the site.
They can keep things that silent for that long, they can keep their plans for the future of this site silent for that long or longer.
You are being naive.
Move the fuck on.
Let it fucking go.
You are wrong.
Added:
That's not a knock on McGregor, either. I'm not saying he is thinking that. I'm saying there's no reason for us to risk it when we don't have to, and everything has already worked out 1000 times better than we could have imagined.
Basically you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the very very good.
Stop it.
hodj
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You say when I'm responding to this post
Which is just as fucking long and filled bottom to top with just farcical delusions.
hodj
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No, its just fucking retarded.
All of this that is going on over here at this point is just a series of really stupid people whining about really stupid things, then getting butthurt that someone is still willing to tell them how dumb they're being.