Dragon Age: Inquisition (Plot Details in Spoilers!)

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Fadaar_sl said:
Pretty sure that still happens no matter what route you take. Yet again.
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Yea that's what I said. Zehn mentioned there was a big moral choice in there and I was trying to remember which one it could possibly be. That seemed like a big thing, except the quest never gave you a choice in the matter.

Maybe bringing your sibling along to the deep roads was the choice? I thought it was interesting how Beth prefers the circle, and Carver loves the grey wardens. In the opposite situations they are whiny fucking bitches.

I considered it a success in my mage playthrough when I managed to max out carver as friendship. (That's only possible if you do Legacy in act 1.)
 
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I made it to Act 2.

This game seems pretty standard BioWare fare. Solid storytelling and character development that keeps me interested, but it does seem a bit linear. I'm a little cranky with some aspects and thinking of rerolling to see how different things turn out.

Gameplay wise I don't think its *bad*, it just really isn't as good as DA1 in a lot of little ways. It is like they came up with a good system in DA1 and instead of sticking with it and refining it for DA2 they just kinda went in a bit of a different direction I'm not sure I like. It isn't *horrible* though. I still think the modifiable AI Tactics tool is one of the best things ever.

It seems there was a level of rush/sloppy/lazyness though. Reusing the same maps a lot is a bit dull, but this is a bit excessive and there is no excuse for only one dungeon being made and then just being chopped up and reused over and over. Unacceptable.

edit: Oh, and I am kind of sad I don't feel right using my save since technicly the events of my DA1 save makes DA2 imposssible. Ooops!
 
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Yea that's what I said. Zehn mentioned there was a big moral choice in there and I was trying to remember which one it could possibly be. That seemed like a big thing, except the quest never gave you a choice in the matter.

Maybe bringing your sibling along to the deep roads was the choice? I thought it was interesting how Beth prefers the circle, and Carver loves the grey wardens. In the opposite situations they are whiny fucking bitches.

I considered it a success in my mage playthrough when I managed to max out carver as friendship. (That's only possible if you do Legacy in act 1.)
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Bringing your sibling along to the deep roads was the closest thing to a choice that mattered in DA2, except they still show up in some capacity at the end of act 3 even if they're a Warden now.
 
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I made it to Act 2.

This game seems pretty standard BioWare fare. Solid storytelling and character development that keeps me interested, but it does seem a bit linear. I'm a little cranky with some aspects and thinking of rerolling to see how different things turn out.

Gameplay wise I don't think its *bad*, it just really isn't as good as DA1 in a lot of little ways. It is like they came up with a good system in DA1 and instead of sticking with it and refining it for DA2 they just kinda went in a bit of a different direction I'm not sure I like. It isn't *horrible* though. I still think the modifiable AI Tactics tool is one of the best things ever.

It seems there was a level of rush/sloppy/lazyness though. Reusing the same maps a lot is a bit dull, but this is a bit excessive and there is no excuse for only one dungeon being made and then just being chopped up and reused over and over. Unacceptable.

edit: Oh, and I am kind of sad I don't feel right using my save since technicly the events of my DA1 save makes DA2 imposssible. Ooops!
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What the hell did you do in DA:O?
 
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Killed off Anders in Awakening maybe? Technically the game does attempt a rather shit explanation for the retcon though, from what I understand. Never saw it myself since it requires you to actually use Anders in your party.
 
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Zhaun_sl said:
I made it to Act 2.

This game seems pretty standard BioWare fare. Solid storytelling and character development that keeps me interested, but it does seem a bit linear. I'm a little cranky with some aspects and thinking of rerolling to see how different things turn out.

Gameplay wise I don't think its *bad*, it just really isn't as good as DA1 in a lot of little ways. It is like they came up with a good system in DA1 and instead of sticking with it and refining it for DA2 they just kinda went in a bit of a different direction I'm not sure I like. It isn't *horrible* though. I still think the modifiable AI Tactics tool is one of the best things ever.

It seems there was a level of rush/sloppy/lazyness though. Reusing the same maps a lot is a bit dull, but this is a bit excessive and there is no excuse for only one dungeon being made and then just being chopped up and reused over and over. Unacceptable.

edit: Oh, and I am kind of sad I don't feel right using my save since technicly the events of my DA1 save makes DA2 imposssible. Ooops!
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Most of the hate for DA2 comes from three major things: Act 3 completely throwing away the illusion of player choice mattering, ridiculous amounts of art asset reuse, and some of the worst encounter scripting ever with no creativity and nothing but stupid Ninja Waves of mobs.

Other than that, it had a lot of improvements and did a lot of things right on a technical and base mechanics level. If you don't absolutely hate DA2 by the end of it I highly suggest playing through the Legacy DLC if you haven't done that during your play through, it at least fixes the last two problems of those three and is really solid.
 
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Vorph_sl said:
Killed off Anders in Awakening maybe? Technically the game does attempt a rather shit explanation for the retcon though, from what I understand. Never saw it myself since it requires you to actually use Anders in your party.
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Aww, Awakening Anders was great. DA2 Anders? Not so much.

Edit: I guess you mean the awakening choice where Anders can die defending an un-upgraded Keep? What was the retcon for that?
 
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I'm wrong actually. I read a note saying that Hawke family was children of the Male Mage Warden PC from DA1, who in mine died at the end. But I just realized that wasn't possible due to timing so I double checked and it isn't the case.

My bad. Maybe it was an ealier piece of info that got changed or somthing. I thought it wierd.
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
I bet he killed Flemeth.
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The funny thing is, I always liked Flemeth. I never liked her daughter, so when her daughter came to me and said "Wahhh, I think mom is trying to kill me." I said "Sounds like a personal problem, bye!" and that was it.

So I'm playing and talking to a friend on MSN and say "Huh, why is my buddy Flemeth a dragon? That is cool" she called me an idiot and told me Flemeth is evil and has always been a dragon blah blah blah. But I totally missed all of that in DA1.
 
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Sean_sl said:
If you don't absolutely hate DA2 by the end of it I highly suggest playing through the Legacy DLC if you haven't done that during your play through, it at least fixes the last two problems of those three and is really solid.
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Is Legacy like a big in-game conversion, so I shouldn't be playing through without it at all? Or is it post-game stuff like Awakening was for DA1.

I ask as I'm enjoying this fine and about to reroll.
 
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Zhaun_sl said:
The funny thing is, I always liked Flemeth. I never liked her daughter, so when her daughter came to me and said "Wahhh, I think mom is trying to kill me." I said "Sounds like a personal problem, bye!" and that was it.

So I'm playing and talking to a friend on MSN and say "Huh, why is my buddy Flemeth a dragon? That is cool" she called me an idiot and told me Flemeth is evil and has always been a dragon blah blah blah. But I totally missed all of that in DA1.
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Except she isn't really evil, she's just not on the same path of morality as the rest of society. Neither is Morrigan, but they always managed to portray Morrigan as much more of a self-interested twat.
 
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Zhaun_sl said:
Is Legacy like a big in-game conversion, so I shouldn't be playing through without it at all? Or is it post-game stuff like Awakening was for DA1.

I ask as I'm enjoying this fine and about to reroll.
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It's basically a mini-expansion that has its own completely separate area, it's like a big dungeon. You can do it at any point once you get into the city, I think. It might be best to do it post game so you're at the highest level of enemies for it. For your party I'd probably go with Varrick (Has special shit in it) + Sibling (Has special shit in it) + either Anders for an extra scene and an item for him (if you haven't lost him) or your love interest for some funny banter with your sibling.
 
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I don't like any of the love interest in this game unfortunatley. In my proper DA1 play through it didn't work out either. The people I always like the most are never "available".
 
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Zhaun_sl said:
I'm wrong actually. I read a note saying that Hawke family was children of the Male Mage Warden PC from DA1, who in mine died at the end. But I just realized that wasn't possible due to timing so I double checked and it isn't the case.

My bad. Maybe it was an ealier piece of info that got changed or somthing. I thought it wierd.
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Ahh yea, he's just a mercenary or something from what I remember.

As for Flemeth, she saves Hawke near the same time you are asked to kill her. The locket she gives to hawke and has taken to the elves I assume is some sort of phylactery, since she comes out of it saying it was an insurance against Morrigan.

Morrigan can get fucked, no way was I killing Captain Janeway.

Also, get new friends. That's totally untrue about Flemeth. She's more chaotic neutral than anything, and she's not a dragon, it's merely one of her magical powers. (Morrigan has her specific power, the shapeshifting advanced class.)

You can get Leliana to tell you the story in DA:O, and Morrigan has her own story, which, as far as most of us knows, is the actual truth about her.
 
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Yeah, Flemeth is like a local mythological "boogieman" of Ferelden, but what is really true isn't very clear. She's always been useful though, even if unclear on who's side she is on. She is clearly against the "world being overrun by crazy monsters" team though, so that seems handy.
 
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