Dune - Space Fascists and Sand Penises
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Dune Heretics is one of the best in the series. Chapterhouse is meh. but it does have Jews in Space.
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Are Heretics and Chapterhouse worth reading or should one stop with Book 4? I hate unresolved cliffhangers and I know Book 6 ends that way. If Book 7 existed then of course I'd go all the way to the end, but as it is I get the impression 4 is the best stopping point to avoid frustration.
Also, I wonder what Book 7 would have been called. I noticed that there's a word-count pyramid with the Dune book titles:
Dune
Dune: Messiah (2)
Children of Dune (3)
God-Emperor of Dune (4)
Heretics of Dune (3)
Chapterhouse: Dune (2)
So in theory the 7th book would have been a one-word title to finish the pyramid. However all the titles have to have "Dune" in them, so... maybe "Dunes"? I think the movie Aliens was a thing right around when Herbert was working on Book 7.
In other news, aesthetically his isn't just my favorite version of book 1, it's my favorite book out of all the books I've ever bought:
Also, I wonder what Book 7 would have been called. I noticed that there's a word-count pyramid with the Dune book titles:
Dune
Dune: Messiah (2)
Children of Dune (3)
God-Emperor of Dune (4)
Heretics of Dune (3)
Chapterhouse: Dune (2)
So in theory the 7th book would have been a one-word title to finish the pyramid. However all the titles have to have "Dune" in them, so... maybe "Dunes"? I think the movie Aliens was a thing right around when Herbert was working on Book 7.
In other news, aesthetically his isn't just my favorite version of book 1, it's my favorite book out of all the books I've ever bought:
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I liked Heretics and I haven’t even finished Chapterhouse, yet. I’ll read a chapter every now and then but it’s been about 18 months since I started it.
my personal favorite is Children of Dune. I think Heretics is worth reading though for Miles Teg alone. Albeit the final conflict happens off-page/off-screen. Which was disappointing.
Book 5 ends at a good spot. It is a little cliff hangery but it’s still satisfactory.
Book 5 and 6 also do a good job showing that Leto II’s Golden Path was the only path forward that Leto (and Paul) saw. Not that it was the only path forward that humans survived. I personally think Leto II was wrong, and I thought he was wrong while reading GEOD. Much like any powerful autocrat, he is blinded by his own narcissism and “necessary evil” to think otherwise. This was later vindicated by other factions disagreeing with the God Worm some 1500 years later after they could see the results of the Golden Path.
trying not to give spoilers. Heretics is a fun one, a bit more sexual than the others. Chapterhouse drags so I haven’t really had the urge to finish it, yet. It rehashes a lot of the same stuff that Heretics does so idk, just not super enthralling to read. I’m on page 300/450.
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Heretics must be the one where Duncan Idaho gets super powers of sex so that he can go and have orgies with the Order of Matre or whatever the all-female collective is called.
Should have just made Duncan Idaho immortal instead of reviving him a hundred times.
IIRC Chapterhouse was released in 1985 and Heretics was released in 1984, which was the quickest turnaround time of any of them by a lot. I wonder if Chapterhouse suffered as a result.
Ehhhh, I'll just read all six of 'em.
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I don’t think the quick turn around was the issue. Because Herbert released many other books outside of Dune so he was always churning out something
I think more so it was the last book he wrote SHORTLY before he died. I’ve read a handful of books by authors who died within a year of release and they’re almost all their worst work I’ve read.
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All the sex shit in the last 2 books is so cringe it makes me question my love of the series every time I re-read it.
Its widespread in scifi of the era and its all so fucking cringe. I really wish authors of that era could have just rubbed one out and got back to writing instead of inserting their adolescent sex fetishes into everything. "This character has the power of supersex and can sex any woman the best she's ever been sexed! So sexy!"
I don't know how they managed to make literary depictions of heterosexual sex so gay.
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Maybe towards the end they're running on fumes because of whatever is making them sick. I think his wife died right around when Heretics came out, so that may have also had an impact on Chapterhouse. He himself died 2 calendar years after the wife.
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