EQ F2P- Returning Players & Current Content

Saban_sl

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I'm at 2200 or so AAs 45k/5.2k group buffed, just hit 86, gonna get 90 and max all my AA lines again. Group make up right now is Warrior with healer merc, beastlord with fighter merc, and we're working on a paladin because the idiot wanted to play a paladin.

I need to start tracking down more AC augs.
 

Borzak

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I'd grab more AA's before lvling, they are just going to get harder and harder to get. I can guarantee a 86 j5 tank merc can outtank you hands down. Might be worth looking at changing out one of the dps mercs for a tank merc while you guys get some AA and you just dps/off tank. Once you hit 85 mercs are pretty beastly.

Just tonight I was doing a t2 task in HoT with my 91 ranger and 85 shaman, shaman has a rogue merc and I have a healer. I died because I wasn't paying attention on the mini boss. I died when the mob was at about 20%. My healer merc wound up tanking the mob down while healing herself and the dps merc killed it. Took them a while but they managed to do it after the ranger and shaman died. My shaman has low AA's and gets a huge bonus but the turn ins tonight on the t1 task in hoT yielded 21AA.
 

Rangoth

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I'd grab more AA's before lvling, they are just going to get harder and harder to get. I can guarantee a 86 j5 tank merc can outtank you hands down. Might be worth looking at changing out one of the dps mercs for a tank merc while you guys get some AA and you just dps/off tank. Once you hit 85 mercs are pretty beastly.
I'd be interested to hear more on this as I have heard the opposite is true. Once a warrior gets 2000aa or so don't they just blow mercs out of the water? Assuming AA is spent wisely in defensive and maybe a few aggro ones. I was only 70, but I started to tank better than the merc around 500 aa and some decent(defiant and maybe few other pieces) gear. My aggro still sucked a bit compared to merc, but I was taking dmg better than he was. At what point and under what conditions is it better to have a real player(assuming they are not retarded) be a tank or dps?
 

Borzak

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I think there are lvls where it comes and goes, but I would take a lvl 86 tank merc over a lvl 86 warrior with 2000aa's almost all the time given the choice.
 

Saban_sl

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I'l give it a shot in korascian tonight. Switch my merc to tank and get someone else with healer. I can apparently do some of the tasks for J5 mercs so i'll use that as a test.
 

Rangoth

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I think there are lvls where it comes and goes, but I would take a lvl 86 tank merc over a lvl 86 warrior with 2000aa's almost all the time given the choice.
Mercs are both a huge blessing and crappy part of the game
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Luckily EQ is past it's prime so being denied groups in favor of mercs doesn't really mean shit, but sucks that it's so hard for a player to hit a point where they are superior. I would have figured 2k aa is more than enough for basic grouping at any level.
 

Grimson_sl

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I've been busy and havent been able to play much but if you have time this week Borzak or Saban maybe you could help me get the J5 merc done. I'm at 80th/700 aa's now and still feel weak in FoS and even Oceangreen with my J4 cleric. Finally can kill that Denmother bitch bear in Oceangreen but i'm sure a real named would tear me a new one. Is it easier to get AA's at 80 or should i level up and worry about AA's later?
 

Borzak

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Shoot me a tell if you see me in game and I will help with the J5 quest. I did it fo rmy shaman over the weekend and was no big deal. On one step you might have to ask another group to let you in to get the kills you need since it's normally camped.
 

MrBelding_sl

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I think there are lvls where it comes and goes, but I would take a lvl 86 tank merc over a lvl 86 warrior with 2000aa's almost all the time given the choice.
And a full AA mage pet is even better than the merc... I will pour a little liquor out for my warrior homies.
 

Borzak

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I had to group with a 100 lvl mage to get my kills in KW for my alts J5 merc quest. I was in the group maybe 15 minutes tops and got 80AA without burning my lesson (I should have). There were 2 of them and they literally pulled everyhthing at once from the zone in to rathe at once and rinsed and repeated.
 

Grimson_sl

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Damn that would be nice, grouped with a 91 Rogue who pulled alot of the Sarnaks in FoS and killed them all in like 10 secs then died but i got like 30 AAs out of it.
He did some assassinate AA comparable to headshot i guess but for rogues, so basically warriors suck is what im beginning to realize.
 

Mikey78_sl

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So I hit 64 this weekend with my group.

I box zerker + shaman + necro and I am using fellowship exp on my legacy account to keep a warrior caught up as well (on zerker account).

Exp has really slowed down for me after I left the hole for wall of slaughter. I think most of the public leveling guides I see are setup for soloing / kiting. Can anyone provide some advice about good places to levelin this range (let's say from 65 to 75) as a group? I use tank, healer, dps caster mercs and just run around in a full group because I assume that the group bonus + killing speed makes up for having extra heads in the group. Is that a poor assumption?

Thanks!

edit: in case anyone cares - I am on Luclin and my oldschool char was Avestan on Veeshan (wizard).
 

darkko_sl

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I've been getting really good xp at that lvl in Paw. I went from 65 to 75 this weekend(plus a few misc AA). I was having fun progressing through the zone for the nostalgia factor but also at the same time there are some good spots for afk merc killing. Mobs are all low hp and easy to kill. I did die once AFK because I forgot to check how much plat one of my characters had before I went to bed and the healer merc poofed.

I run with 3 mercs as well for faster killing (which seems to be the general consensus). Also Infected paw will take you up to 81ish iirc.
 

Grimson_sl

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You could check out Dragonscale Hills at the farm seemed to be the best xp at those levels for me. Lots of easy mobs and quest giver nearby for extra xp.
 

Flight

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Been playing casually for the last few weeks doing a couple of Epic 2.0s. My main has been a Warrior since '99. My one piece of advice for anyone getting back into this is don't play a Warrior or use a Warrior as part of a box party. The only people who should be playing Warriors in EQ1 today are MT's for raid guilds - for three minutes at a time.

Reasons for this -

Mercs are better tanks most of the time and more reliable

the old 120/100/80% rules for DPS went out of the window years ago

if you are going to play a tank for boxing or group situations SK or Pallie have loads more utility (for older content they can also heal themselves, swarm etc)

presently as a Warrior if you're tanking it's S&B, if you're DPS'ing - it's S&B (they've said something about wanting to get back to DW but it seems years away from where we're at)


I haven't been so disappointed at Warriors place in EQ1 since Pallies were the best raid MTs a few expansions after vanilla. (Having said that it needs balancing by underlining EQ1 still has the best class diversity and identities of most MMOs).
 

Kreugen

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Oh come on, Paladins were not the best raid MT (or a raid MT period) at any point of Everquest's history unless the mob had an unresistable fear (aka two bosses in PoT). The only way a Paladin was ever a MT for a guild is if he was the fucking guild leader, and said guild was sure as hell not on leading edge of progression. Defensive broke the game and everything had to be tuned for it. The pissant shit they tried to add to knights over the years as a "weak but situationally useful!" alternative was a joke.

But yes, SKs can be the most useful group tank if you're willing to work at it and don't care that some named will stomp a hole in your ass. And soon they will have a tool that should fix that. But most of the time its just a hell of a lot more button smashing to accomplish the same aggro and dps (questionable) a warrior can do by turning auto attack on. And no group or raid will want you because there are eleven billion SKs who spent all their time swarm-kiting in Vergalid and likely have shit gear and no clue how to actually play the class in a group or raid. They have the same stigma that any of the solo-friendly classes have had in EQ over the years.

Paladins are still worthless, you give up a shitload of damage for extra heals and cures, whoopie. You don't heal mobs to death. Their abilities are weak and redundant if there's any kind of healer present, even a merc. Paladins have no reason to exist. I suppose a non-boxed Paladin can be preferable in a raid group to some guy's alt shaman that he only brought along to cast DPS buffs and heal himself. (which describes most of the healers in any given raid) But in that case, the person should just be playing a real healer.

Anyway, my 90 warrior was awesome. But I didn't get far into HoT - like so many others I realized paying for 3 accounts to sit there by myself playing EQ with no end-goal in mind was pointless. I'm playing a rogue on Vulak now and borrowing the boxes I need.

And Flight, lol, nothing makes me laugh harder than warriors complaining about S&B doing more damage than dual wield. You know what I call doing the same damage a monk while also having shield block and shitloads of extra AC? Fucking awesome, that's what. Also, look at it this way: With shield specialist you only need one tank weapon and one dps weapon to bandolier, instead of two tank weapons + two more ranger swords or a 2H for dps. What a pain that was. Remember, before shield specialist, knights actually had a bit of EHP advantage outside of /disc defensive. Knights had shields for extra AC and, for one (or two?) glorious expansion(s), the extra advantage of shield block without giving up as much DPS. Shield specialist took that advantage away.. and warriors are the ones complaining because they think it somehow hurts their position in the DPS parse. What a joke. What they really want is for dual wield to be buffed beyond what S&B is doing so they can parse higher - when what SOE hears is "well, I guess they want us to nerf shield specialist so that it won't outdo dual wield" - the end result being you will do less damage than before. Good plan! This is SOE, be very careful what you ask for.

And there's no way merc tanks are better than a real tank unless you are WAY behind in tiers on gear. As in still wearing defiant.

Of course the real answer to all this mess is forget having a tank at all and play mage + shaman + whatever non-melee.
 

Janx

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Shoot me a tell if you see me in game and I will help with the J5 quest. I did it fo rmy shaman over the weekend and was no big deal. On one step you might have to ask another group to let you in to get the kills you need since it's normally camped.
If you and Saban get something going, I could use the j5 on my ranger Janxs (lvl82)
 
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I spoke to Borzak today on test. I have a 92 necro on Test. Is there an official rerolled channel for the test crew? If not, let's make one. Could be useful to get shit done when people are online etc./join rerolled:tranniesand set/autojoin rerolled:tranniesso you pop in upon each log in
 

Mikey78_sl

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Good to hear that warriors are not completely borked as some have said. . .I love my warrior.

One question on his aa. He is 63 right now with 150 aa. Should I always max combat agility and stability? I have three of each and I know that up to 8, you get 1% before you start getting 0.5%. Best practice to go to 8 on each?