On the surface you are correct. A game exactly like eq1 is gone and should never be repeated. But the aspects that made it great need to be expanded upon. There is a market of players looking for feel rewarded for effort. That is all.
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Grim1
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Draegan, mmo devs have to create tons of content anyways to keep players interested. It doesn't matter if it's during leveling or if it's endgame, the issue is the same.
The problem is they DO create all that midlevel content and then set the leveling speeds so fast that everyone passes most of it by and gets to an endgame where there is very little to do. Then to try and fix the lack of endgame content issue the devs create massive amounts of moronic, repetitive dailies. Wow that is sooo much fun
As I said before, devs either need to slow things down or get rid of levels altogether. What we have now (and you imply is so great) sucks the big kahuna.
Wait what, just because your strength is not DPS, it doesn't mean you aren't having fun while kiling shit. Please don't tell me you are one of those DPS chart monsters? There should be way more to combat than just damaging a monster. Look at the EQ shaman/enchanter, Their priorities were to Debuff/Mez/buff/etc. They were so fucking significant and everyone knew it. If DPS charts were on screen, they would be near the bottom. Thats okay. There should be more to combat than just the one dimensional "KILL IT" process.
Actually that analogy is great too. Id probably marry the girl that made me wait 4 years... ifIlasted that long. Would you rather marry the dirty whore who gave it to you day one?
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Sure, ill play. Yes it makes a difference. Just like when you have a wife or girlfriend for a long time, (12 yrs for me) sex is ok but its not like dropping those panties down the first time.
This is why strange is always better.
Its more akin to someone which could get any girl anytime they wanted without the thrill of the battle. BORING. Add a little battle in there, the thrill of the hunt, as they say, and this is what brings on the raging hardons.
I know what you mean. You want your MMORPG to be a hobby and not just a game. I completely understand that and want that for myself. The only thing you can do is try everything that appears to be interesting and see if something sticks. We're getting to the point where more and more MMORPGs are being released. You might mind something in the mainstream or niche.
It's just that it's going to be more and more difficult to find old gaming systems in AAA modern games. You're going to have to accept some modern design theories in your older theories. For example, if you want a heavy group game, you're going to have to accept auto grouping systems or match making systems.
Well I guess if you use the context of professional online poker players. I was talking about playing in person at a casino.
Maybe there needs to be more accurate definitions of some words that we throw around. Saying "gamer" to different people in the gaming community may mean different things. I like that you used the word hobby. You are correct. MMO's are my hobby. Hell I started playing EQ in 1999, i was 14. MMOs became my passion. I say that and am kind of embarassed by it, but i have my excuses. But maybe the term "gamer" isn't the best word to describe those like myself.
Caeden
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I did say "median". Or do I need to drop a normal distribution in the thread (itd be the average in that case too) That level of time should be out in the 0.5sigma of people.
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Oh give me a fucking break. All men much prefer a challenge than the girl who will sleep with them on their first 'date'. Sure you'll sleep with the girl you met at the bar, and maybe go out with her for a bit after that but what your really want is the hot girl that you have to work on for a while before she gives it up. Half the fun is in the anticipation.
http://youtu.be/4NwP3wes4M8
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Playing a game is supposed to be fun. Not a fucking courtship. You don't marry the game, you fuck it till it gets boring and then you look for a new one.
I think of it this way. Think about a 10 person poker RL poker game with you and 5-6 of your friends, then 4-5 people that you dont know, but maybe your friends do. There is alot of socializing at a poker table, mainly between hands that you are playing. While the people who are in the hand are playing, you may talk to these guys you didn't know before and develop friendships. I consider this succeeding. Just because you aren't playing every hand, doesn't mean the time between hands cannot be put to good use.
Convo
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I don't know if anyone told you this but these new games are total one night stand sluts!
Abefroman
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Suuuuuure. What world do you live in where you go on a first date thinking I sure the fuck hope I don't get sex cause it's not a challenge?
Grim1
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There is no fun in playing a game without challenge. If simple easy games were fun then we would never play anything else other than tic tac toe.
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Putting it another way.
You want to eat the best peanut butter and jelly sandwich in your entire life?
1. Wake up at 8am and make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (with your favorite peanut butter, jelly and bread).
2. Put the sandwich and a glass of water in the refrigerator.
3. Do NOT eat or drink all day (otherwise known as a fast)
4. At 8pm eat the sandwich and drink the water. It will be the best PB&J sandwich you ever ate in your life, you will enjoy and cherish every bite.
You want to eat the best peanut butter and jelly sandwich in your entire life?
1. Wake up at 8am and make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (with your favorite peanut butter, jelly and bread).
2. Put the sandwich and a glass of water in the refrigerator.
3. Do NOT eat or drink all day (otherwise known as a fast)
4. At 8pm eat the sandwich and drink the water. It will be the best PB&J sandwich you ever ate in your life, you will enjoy and cherish every bite.
Its funny that everything in life can be simplified down to the mating habits of humanity. I love it.
I agree, devs have to make content for people. Where they really fuck up in today's paradigm is they have fast leveling system, yet spend the bulk of their development in the leveling content and their end game is shit. That's not good either, and it's a reason why a lot of games drop off quickly (TOR, RIFT, GW2, TSW).Draegan, mmo devs have to create tons of content anyways to keep players interested. It doesn't matter if it's during leveling or if it's endgame, the issue is the same.
The problem is they DO create all that midlevel content and then set the leveling speeds so fast that everyone passes most of it by and gets to an endgame where there is very little to do. Then to try and fix the lack of endgame content issue the devs create massive amounts of moronic, repetitive dailies. Wow that is sooo much fun. Are you actually saying that the endgame of most mmo's is better than the leveling content? Get real. It should be but in actual fact it rarely is.
As I said before, devs either need to slow things down or get rid of levels altogether. What we have now (and you imply is so great) sucks the big kahuna.
WOW's current endgame is awful and one of the main reason I don't even attempt (or have a desire to) to play anymore.
What I'm saying, if you actually pay the fuck attention for once, is that the current design of "Leveling -> Heroic Dungeons -> Raiding" is retarded no matter what speed you're playing at. The only way, in my opinion only, it's fun is when the game is new and people are racing for world firsts and doing the content either under geared or under leveled. So if I were making a Level/heroic/raid game I would put cycles or seasons into it where I wipe everyone periodically. That only works if leveling is fast. Think of it as a very very very long game of DOTA/LOL.
The last two games I was engaged in any end game content was GW2 and Rift. Rift's leveling content was boring, but I was engaged in the Raid game for a few tiers and eventually I couldn't take shitty design anymore. GW2's content was bad, but I partially enjoyed the leveling content just because I liked the combat system. The leveling process was actually boring and grueling.
So has leveling content been better than end game content recently? I would say a lot of it's been mediocre for the most part. I would say leveling was more fun in GW2 (there was no end game). I would say TOR's leveling was more fun, but it was still terrible because I couldn't finish it. I would say RIFT's leveling was boring compared to the end game at release. I never played TSW but I heard the leveling was awesome if you played it like a single player game with some multiplayer.