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This is sort of what I was picturing. Hey I see you like to craft. Did you know there are a lot of rare woods and pelts out in the common lands? Pretty basic stuff like that.
That was a great vid, thanks. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Big Flex again.
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The only place I disagree with him is that I never through TES was a very good story base for a RPG to begin with, even by Sword and Sorcery pulp standards. It wasn't Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms -- it was Greyhawk. HOWEVER, The TES gaming system was innovative and fresh and (for two of them at least) highly customizable. That was the strength of the franchise to me. Aaaaand... they've canabilized them both in favor of generic, spiceless story elements. They're not bad games, just the story elements were not their strengths to begin with.
But yeah, basically, if you're looking forward to EQN your best hope is that it's Skyrim online. And it won't be. Because Sigil isn't good enough for that.
But yeah, basically, if you're looking forward to EQN your best hope is that it's Skyrim online. And it won't be. Because Sigil isn't good enough for that.
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TES actually has a lot of weird and interesting lore elements in it, both through in-game books and stuff posted online by developers and ex-developers, they just refuse to actually use in any of the actual stories for the games, going so far as to retcon out the weirder stuff if it could pertain to a game's plot (such as Alduin and Akatosh being the same being, just off the top of my head). Bethesda seems oddly terrified of complexity in their games' storylines.
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Lol. We'll see. I think it'll be better than Skyrim. It won't be EQ3 but the StoryBricks stuff is interesting.
thank you. at least one other person gets it. "EQN! play your way...as long as your way is the way we want you to play."
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When you get mauled walking into the zone you'll know it is too high for you.
That's actually immersive.
I am still of the position that we know next to nothing about what EQN will actually be like when it is released. I say next to nothing only because we do know that it won't be everything they have promised. At the tippy top of that list is this "biggest sandbox ever" charade.
Let me preface this by saying I'm not looking at this game as the game I hoped EQ3 would be, I'm looking at it as a completely new game developed around the EQ IP. As I've read through this thread and gradually digested all the thoughts/complaints/praise, I keep coming back to the 4 holy grails and how I just can't seem to believe they're going to be able to execute them effectively.
1) Multiclassing - I, as many other do, worry that this will strip the class role individuality from the game and essentially turn everyone into a carbon copy of everyone else. They want the players to have their cake and eat it too, and I'm not convinced this is entirely a good thing.
2) Destructibility/Voxels - Is this the most egregious form of instancing we're ever going to see? Are they really trying to pawn it off as "earthquakes" and expect us to wipe our chins and walk away? Come on, SOE.
3) Emergent AI - They're not giving NPCs human brains. There's going to be a finite amount of directions an NPC is going to take, and that finite number will eventually be figured out. It will be figured out, mapped, cheated, and published for everyone to see.....which essentially makes it useless.
4) Rallying Calls - I'm torn on this. It's going to be so incredibly difficult for them to really make them "epic" and I think they're wagering too much of the success of this game on something that's so completely untested. What if nobody gives a shit about your rallying call?
I look at those 4 main visions that this game is being developed and sold on and I just can't trust SOE to execute them properly.
I really want this game to succeed, I really do. It's not EQ:HD or EQ3 and that's completely fine, but the potential for those games to ever come to fruition very clearly depends on the success of this game. And right now, this game absolutely reeks of vaporware. I can see it being in development for years while they cultivate the Landmark franchise.
1) Multiclassing - I, as many other do, worry that this will strip the class role individuality from the game and essentially turn everyone into a carbon copy of everyone else. They want the players to have their cake and eat it too, and I'm not convinced this is entirely a good thing.
2) Destructibility/Voxels - Is this the most egregious form of instancing we're ever going to see? Are they really trying to pawn it off as "earthquakes" and expect us to wipe our chins and walk away? Come on, SOE.
3) Emergent AI - They're not giving NPCs human brains. There's going to be a finite amount of directions an NPC is going to take, and that finite number will eventually be figured out. It will be figured out, mapped, cheated, and published for everyone to see.....which essentially makes it useless.
4) Rallying Calls - I'm torn on this. It's going to be so incredibly difficult for them to really make them "epic" and I think they're wagering too much of the success of this game on something that's so completely untested. What if nobody gives a shit about your rallying call?
I look at those 4 main visions that this game is being developed and sold on and I just can't trust SOE to execute them properly.
I really want this game to succeed, I really do. It's not EQ:HD or EQ3 and that's completely fine, but the potential for those games to ever come to fruition very clearly depends on the success of this game. And right now, this game absolutely reeks of vaporware. I can see it being in development for years while they cultivate the Landmark franchise.
I understand, and sympathize with, most of your concerns, but you're going to have to explain this one. How does destructibility = instancing? They've already said if you see a player fall down into one of those cavern things you can follow him down there. What part of it is an instance?
When it's completely erased from the game due to an "earthquake" not long after.
Edit: I should say that while it's not the conventional type of instancing we're accustomed to from other games now, it sort of goes along the same lines. I have a feeling most of the caverns/holes/whatever will have a similar style and feel to them. People will be experiencing their own form of each cavern instance across the game world and it will be gone before anyone else can see it.
You have just echod mine and everyone else's opinion on this board. We all know eqn is going to probably suck ass, and it hurts. It hurts bad.
Interesting idea. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with a single starting city if: A) the devs took the time, energy and resources in building multiple starting cities to flesh out the game and its combat/non-combat systems, and B) to further your point, have some rallying cry cities be starting cities, but have other major cities be higher-level/progressive content with plenty of monsters to fight, places to explore, and recipes/abilities/etc. to learn.
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This is just silly. The diabloesque stuff is fine. What do you want 100,000 people in LGuk? Get serious.
Bullshit. How does everyone knowing that kobolds will group up to attack and panthers will always attack solo and stealthily make the AI useless? Or that chatting with the Baker's wife will make the Baker charge you more for pie? It doesn't.
Another bizarre comment - either people are into the game or not. If they're into the game they'll be into the Rallying Calls.
It'll be out by Christmas 2014. Feel free to quote me on it as I've given that date for the past few weeks since SOELive
I wouldn't go even close to this far. The only reasonable concerns in dgrabs "Sky is Falling" rant were concerns about multiclassing.
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The diablocraft stuff is not going away every five minutes. And yes like minecraft, procedurally generated caverns tend to have a similiar feel. So what? For what it is being used for (additional available content) it is fine.