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I'm all about making a PVE game that doesn't give a damn about PVP and just let's it sit there unbalanced or not.

Kedwyn_sl said:

I read through the last few pages and I really hope some of you are just trolling. People can't possible believe half of the shit will be in game much less a good idea.

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That's all Eq threads. People being nostalgic about their younger days. It's like when people reminisce about their younger days being broke and living off Raman with 2 other buddies in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Only nobody really thinks going back to living like a broke college kid in their 40s is a good idea

Draegan_sl said:

I'm all about making a PVE game that doesn't give a damn about PVP and just let's it sit there unbalanced or not.

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Agreed. I would even go as far to say that even if pvp is unbalanced, as long as its open world, people will find a way to make it work. Those with better gear or a more powerful class can't do shit if they are outnumbered by enough. To be completely honest, does that not add more realism. A battlefield would have those who could win most or all 1v1's and those would be the players who would get surrounded and killed. "Balanced" pvp is for even numbered battleground (lame), and FPS games.

Flipmode_sl said:

Guess you missed the "have different skills for PVP" part. Personally, I think PVP is a waste in class based MMOs. It's inherently unbalanced, and good PVP requires just that...balance. You want good PVP, go play a FPS or MOBA and quit ruining MMOs.

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i agree with you 100%. i could give two fucks about PvP, because in every single instance it just becomes about griefing others and serves no real purpose in the game. like draegan said, if they just have PvP in the PvE game and just leave it alone, unbalanced and imperfect and people want to play the game like that anyway without crying like a baby, then i'm fine with that. i guess someone may be able to talk me into a PvP game if it ever truly mattered in a game (like controlling resources, territory, cities, etc....) beyond just a battle ground or to receive valor points, but in an EQ game, all i'm really interested in is the PvE.

Ambiturner_sl said:

That's all Eq threads. People being nostalgic about their younger days. It's like when people reminisce about their younger days being broke and living off Raman with 2 other buddies in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Only nobody really thinks going back to living like a broke college kid in their 40s is a good idea

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see, this is where you come off sounding like a fucking retard. people reminisce about their high school or college years because those were great times and you have mostly all fond memories and zero responsibilities. that's why most of the people here enjoy reminiscing about EQ, because those were good times. no one really wants to reminisce about WoW or any other game over the past 10 years because that's like reminiscing about working 80 hours a week and coming home to a bitch wife and 5 bratty kids.

You realize that EQ classic did exactly what you guys want and it does make sense.

They took spell damage in PvP and reduced it. PvE was completely untouched as a result.

The WoW / WoW clone approach involves changing around talent trees and endless other mind blowing fucktardery that, I'm with you on*. I don't think people that play solely for PvE that have a relatively balanced spec they enjoy should fire up their client, install the patch and read in the patch notes that their build is now ruined because something was "unfair in the arena".

Arenas and battlegrounds do nothing but eliminate situational factors and force class balance in PvP under a microscope. Classes in EQ weren't ENTIRELY PERFECTLY balanced, nor were changes made because "well mages and rogues on a team together are unfair so we gotta redo everything". Some class combos were just fucking strong as shit, but because there wasn't a queued match making system that decided the entire fate of their experience, it was allowed to pass. I cannot even list how many times in WoW I saw class changes simply based on the fact that it was unfair that they could do X, Y or Z in a 2v2 or 3v3 arena game. That is just... really I stopped playing that game for a reason and went to play EQ emulated servers with spotty mechanics. That's what I think about it.

World PvP isn't for everyone. I wouldn't expect certain people I raided with in WoW to become hardcore arena or pvp players otherwise. It's just something they don't want to do when they come home from a long day of work. It's too stressful, its too much aggressive human interaction. I totally understand. However, some of us aren't appeased by just logging in to raid and acquire pixels. We want to build our characters and fight others who have built theirs. We form rivalries and create stories that we tell for years. Let me tell you also that the rivalries from RZ do exist to this day, although many are forgiven. I absolutely cannot say the same about any other game. I couldn't tell you the name of maybe even 5 people I fought in the arenas in WoW, even ones with season Gladiator (ie Deadly Gladiator SoandSo) titles. It's just impersonal, flavorless and leads to *retarded* class balancing and this unending cycle of people getting over nerfed or over buffed. Blizzard and other companies say "well the game isn't balanced on 1v1 duels" ok. Why the fuck is it balanced around 3v3 duels? I mean, they really believe in their heads over there that certain team comps can't be hard counters to each other and everyone has to have a chance.

That design philosophy reminds me of a world where we can't have dodge ball in gym class and everyone gets a medal. Fuck me is it stupid.

Edit: Oh god or worse adding stats that are specific to an entirely different set of gear, only useful in PvP and tbh the gear set is entirely inferior in PvE. Jesus!!!

I'll gladly take something different. Unbalanced, shit, EQ was unbalanced to the extreme and people made it work. It added a certain amount of flavor and while I wouldn't want to go back to that exactly the current trend of over developing every single nuance of the game imo leads to a very stale experience.

If they do PVP make it worth while. Otherwise leave it out and just focus on PVE. You don't have to be a jack of all trades and a master of none.

Iadien_sl said:

For some reason Georgeson deleted the following tweet:

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Maybe it touched too much on the storybricks/dynamic world stuff? Or maybe he's just a weird guy.

Maybe he just didn't want to rub in that he gets to play and we don't?

etchazz_sl said:

see, this is where you come off sounding like a fucking retard. people reminisce about their high school or college years because those were great times and you have mostly all fond memories and zero responsibilities. that's why most of the people here enjoy reminiscing about EQ, because those were good times. no one really wants to reminisce about WoW or any other game over the past 10 years because that's like reminiscing about working 80 hours a week and coming home to a bitch wife and 5 bratty kids.

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There's EQ mac and P99. Problem is, you remember it being incredibly fun, but refuse to accept nostalgia as part of the reason. So you look at differences and decide that must be it.

There are a couple of things I do miss, but a lot of these ideas really are terrible.

Ambiturner_sl said:

There's EQ mac and P99. Problem is, you remember it being incredibly fun, but refuse to accept nostalgia as part of the reason. So you look at differences and decide that must be it.

There are a couple of things I do miss, but a lot of these ideas really are terrible.

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Feel free to suggest new ideas. Still 21 days to speculate.

Draegan_sl said:

I'm all about making a PVE game that doesn't give a damn about PVP and just let's it sit there unbalanced or not.

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For once I agree with you.

Ambiturner_sl said:

There's EQ mac and P99. Problem is, you remember it being incredibly fun, but refuse to accept nostalgia as part of the reason. So you look at differences and decide that must be it.

There are a couple of things I do miss, but a lot of these ideas really are terrible.

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i remember it being incredibly fun because it was. if you decided to play a game for several years that you didn't like then you are a fucking idiot. i played it for 5 years because i loved the game. if you don't like EQ, then why the fuck are you even bothering posting in an EQ thread? i don't think it's crazy for people who liked the original EQ to want another game that is similar to the original. you on the other hand, are like some idiot who saw the original godfather and thinks that the godfather 2 would have been better off being a lavish musical because you think a sequel can't be successful if it's like the original.

Ambiturner_sl said:

There's EQ mac and P99. Problem is, you remember it being incredibly fun, but refuse to accept nostalgia as part of the reason.

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I have multiple high level characters on both servers. Some of my best EQ memories are on these servers, and very recent. Classic EQ is my all time favorite game, by a mile. Nostalgia has little to do with it.

Yes it aint nostalgia i play p99 and eqmac all the time, its the most fun ive had since.... eq.

As for pvp, i would rather they make it so that the pve classes are all very different. For example I would hate to see pvp make it so that all the dps classes do more or less the same output. EQ was never like that, wizards did huge damage but they had no pet, they were squishy as hell, they had no FD no lifetaps, and very little utility. So yei would prefer it to be like that with lots of flavour.

That said, i did play on a few of the pvp servers in eq and they were fun as hell. It didnt matter what you picked, people could make do. I remember seeing some warrior guy and he started coming at me and i thought LOL! Punch bag Vs Necro, this will be fun. Yeah well he had some item which gave him insane amounts of magic resistance so 95% of my spells didnt land on him and he chopped me into pieces while i ran around in circles crying. But on another occasion i was running through ec tunnel not sure what to do, then suddenly 2 dudes jumped down and started attacking me. I think it was a shaman and druid or something and they were both like 29 i was about 34 but i didnt even have my pet up. I unloaded on them both and their health just started plummeting and they both started trying to heal themselves and I just finished them off with my big lifetap. I felt like a FUCKING GOD! And I even got to say roleplay stuff in /say like "FOOLS! I will teach you to mess with..." stuff which must have pissed them off hugely.

EQ was boss.

Eq was good for 1999, not 2013. There's nothing wrong with wanting a similar, but much improved game. But hoping for things like forced downtime where you spend half your gaming session watching tv or reading a book is not improvement.

Ambiturner_sl said:

Eq was good for 1999, not 2013. There's nothing wrong with wanting a similar, but much improved game. But hoping for things like forced downtime where you spend half your gaming session watching tv or reading a book is not improvement.

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Sure it is. Beats carpal tunnel syndrome from DDR combat any day of the week.

tad10_sl said:

Sure it is. Beats carpal tunnel syndrome from DDR combat any day of the week.

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No it's not. You can have slower paced combat with less button presses but still remove the long regen, spawn times etc and still get your desired game. You won't get carpal tunnel and can progress at your groups own pace without being forced to wait.

Gotta disagree. If mana never runs out, it's a pretty meaningless stat. I'm not advocating 10 minute absurd downtimes, but after a pull that fully drains your mana bar, there should be at least a 60-120 second regen time from 0m to FM.