Korzax Stonehammer
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EQ TLP 2024 Teek (Random loot) & Tormax (Traditional) #neckbeardnostalgia
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Gheed
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"purely information"
Yeah man it's just a silly little bit of information that is then used to ping an entire discord of people the instant raid mobs spawn. SEQ is a plenty "big cheat" that completely changes the dynamics of the game. We're playing Everquest, information is everything.
Mini
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I like THJs approach of throwing a restrictive mqmap that’s enhanced by track on the client.
Add that and crack down on mq automation and actives. When I get flagged for mq usage don’t suspend one of 6 chars for a week. Suspend all of them. And escalate to a full ban after the 1 week.
Add that and crack down on mq automation and actives. When I get flagged for mq usage don’t suspend one of 6 chars for a week. Suspend all of them. And escalate to a full ban after the 1 week.
The problem is shitbreak is they now are in the same situation as seq with mq, too many people using it now. It would definitely hit player count for their best value product.
If they ever did a proper ban you'd be silly not short EG7 cause it would be a material downgrade of the playerbase lol.
I wonder if eq has ever been this full of cheating before?
If they ever did a proper ban you'd be silly not short EG7 cause it would be a material downgrade of the playerbase lol.
I wonder if eq has ever been this full of cheating before?
Funny how when I bring up how much of a giant cheat MQ is, the MQ people say omg but my grandma only uses it for the basic stuff so obviously MQ isn't that bad. But, when I bring up SEQ not being much of a cheat, the MQ users want to talk about the 1% of SEQ people who have it set up to send them a ping when a mob spawns. Hilarious that you have to use the 1% on both ends to even get an argument out.
Also, all this arguing does is further prove Zaide's point about the jaywalking scenario. Is it technically illegal? Yes... But no one gives a shit unless you are being a dick and the police wants to be technical. No one is getting in trouble with SEQ unless they are harassing people and being very blatant about it.
Meanwhile, even if you used MQ 6 months ago, they still send you to jail.
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yerm
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This was a discussion about an ideal server and I'm the one who said I want no hacks or rizlona. The concept of what dbg can detect or enforce is meaningless. Seq has massively impacted the game thanks to stuff like skynet, and an ideal pipe dream server wouldn't have it.
I played on fippy when active hacks were used almost as much as seq is now. It obviously sucked and obviously was way worse. But I also played before that time when raid tracking was authentic, and seq completely invalidates it.
Everyone always thinks what they do is fine, in all areas of life.
alavaz
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Another rousing round of original thought and philosophy regarding cheating in our favorite 26 year old game.
How did it start this time... oh because a guy said "here's what I would like..." and everyone else said "No you wouldn't, you wouldn't like that!!! They aren't even the same crime bro! Murder kills a person and jaywalking only maybe causes property damage or minor injury... and I mean it could kill people but only like ONE percent of the time bro! One percent is such a small percent that it's ok, it doesn't do nuffin!"
How did it start this time... oh because a guy said "here's what I would like..." and everyone else said "No you wouldn't, you wouldn't like that!!! They aren't even the same crime bro! Murder kills a person and jaywalking only maybe causes property damage or minor injury... and I mean it could kill people but only like ONE percent of the time bro! One percent is such a small percent that it's ok, it doesn't do nuffin!"
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Gheed
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I'm not arguing with you at all, just pointing out that SEQ is plenty impactful on the game and is considered a "big cheat" by me. I'm also not sure how the largest guilds on the server using SEQ to track all top mobs is a 1% use case.
I don't think many people think this, just the retards or full copium huffers. However, SEQ is also a cheat that provides significant advantages over those who don't use it. If you guys all want to feel better about yourselves because you "cheat less" go for it.
EQ has been this full of cheating for 20+ years. Welcome!
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So while we're on the topic, relaxed truebox is coming up on Teek, what do people recommend to use to run a group besides Macarenaquest?
Looking to stay mostly on the side of not getting suspended, how is ISboxer treated on TLPs? Or Ionbc? I tried Ion early on Oakwynd but stopped using it, then heard a couple of months later people were getting suspended for broadcasting.
Suggestions appreciated or is everyone gonna hold their cards close to their chest, I'm just looking to box a group for xp and maybe do some groupable instances for a bit of gear from time to time. Not run a 72 player raid or PL crew.
Looking to stay mostly on the side of not getting suspended, how is ISboxer treated on TLPs? Or Ionbc? I tried Ion early on Oakwynd but stopped using it, then heard a couple of months later people were getting suspended for broadcasting.
Suggestions appreciated or is everyone gonna hold their cards close to their chest, I'm just looking to box a group for xp and maybe do some groupable instances for a bit of gear from time to time. Not run a 72 player raid or PL crew.
I got this pretty big cheat that I can hook you up with because we're friends. It's a game changer man. Please be careful what you do with all this power.
ShowEQ Open Source Project
Download ShowEQ Open Source Project for free. ShowEQ or SEQ for short is a program designed to decode the EverQuest data stream and display that information on another computer running the Linux OS in real time. Our Forums are located at https://seq.sourceforge.net/forums/
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TairyGreene
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I used ISBoxer on Mischief for a few months. Never caught any vacations. I didn't use it that long, though. My guild finally died during VoA and I stopped playing. You won't get any straightforward answers about how it's treated. All I can say is I never got in trouble, and the few people I talked to never did, either.
The program was not user friendly at all for me and I spent many hours figuring out how to make shit work. But once I got over the learning curve, it worked well and was way more efficient than my truebox setup. I boxed 3 on my main machine and trueboxed a cleric.
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GuardianX
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Why though?
I laughed SO hard when I found out that the one guy in our group on Aradune who did NOTHING more than 3 box caught a vacation because he had his toons auto following himself through a "empty zone" meanwhile I'm AFK MacroQuesting during raids letting my 1-2 boxes just do their thing...
Like if you are gunna cheat, just go the full distance.
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Zaide
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Server was the worst for sure but man did Atabishi provide entertainment for a good year. Stealing from Taco Bell and fighting Navy Seals. The thread here is one of the best lmao.
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TairyGreene
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For one, Aradune technically had a two box limit. So he was more obviously breaking a rule.
Secondly, that's like saying, "if you're gonna go 5 mph over the speed limit, might as well go 50 over." Why would I use a program that definitely gets targeted in ban waves over one that is tacitly allowed?
I didn't want to afk grind or have software play my characters. I just wanted to box 3 characters without alt tabbing.
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Rajaah
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The only time cheating in EQ necessarily bothers me is when it is used in a competitive situation or negatively affects other people.
Folks cheating on their own time in their own instances, whatever. Using /stick because the ingame /follow is so bad, whatever.
It's different when you're in competition. Two or more guilds racing to grab mob spawns only works if either both of them are cheating or neither are cheating. If one's cheating and the other isn't, it completely breaks the competition. Same principle goes for basic named mobs like two people trying to be the first to land their EBolts on Efreeti. One is tool assisted and auto-casts the second the mob loads in? Well, the competition is broken.
Never claimed to wear white hats in EQ, but I reserve the right to get annoyed or pissed-off if someone is pulling shenanigans to gain a major advantage during a direct competition. Like what OGC did in Ssra, or what Amtrak did with the VT key NPC.