EQ TLP - Mischief (Free Trade / Random Loot)

DickTrickle said:

The only other 66 (or close) rare in DN is the spider queen and she's hardly common. Neb is not a rare. Whelp Kidnapper is for an epic quest so also not rare. All the rest are 60 or below so unless the rare spread increases a lot, I wouldn't expect to see Willsapper from anything except Vaniki and Queen.

The real fight will be in Western Wastes since Tantor and Strong Horn are of the right level and easily soloable since they don't summon. At least you can pop DZ picks because I imagine the trains in WW for them will be epic; they both have a good bit of HP so it's not like it's going to be a quick burn.

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SorrowsEnd said:

Deputy Illusion #10 acquired.

Now to make a warrior!

Yuengling Lager inc!

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DickTrickle said:

The only other 66 (or close) rare in DN is the spider queen and she's hardly common. Neb is not a rare. Whelp Kidnapper is for an epic quest so also not rare. All the rest are 60 or below so unless the rare spread increases a lot, I wouldn't expect to see Willsapper from anything except Vaniki and Queen.

The real fight will be in Western Wastes since Tantor and Strong Horn are of the right level and easily soloable since they don't summon. At least you can pop DZ picks because I imagine the trains in WW for them will be epic; they both have a good bit of HP so it's not like it's going to be a quick burn.

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SorrowsEnd said:

I pulled a tranix crown and tons of mithril legs/sleeves/torque/razing swords of skarlon from the named at the undead castle in the Hole during classic.

Those named pop around 51-54ish.

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Ravanta said:

So far, drops have not been randomized solely within their zone, and I don't think that was even in the description of the loot rules. It's expansion based randoms, not zone based. There are some exceptions though, I did not see or hear of anything in classic dropping solb royals loots, and the same thing with the summon corpse spell. I have only heard of it dropping off the gnoll.


I have done basically zero killing in sebilis on mischief, and I've looted quite a few number of fungis in chardok from all sorts of named, including observer raqtuz who is only level 52. Spore King is what, 56 or 57?

If I am not mistaken, solb royals are a timed duration spawn, not a named...right? Vaniki's spawn system is of course a well documented complicated thing that you can't actually farm by killing named...so maybe it won't be randomized.

But it would be fun if it was!

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SorrowsEnd said:

Summon corpse spell seems locked to that specific mob.

In kunark I've only seen the Tranquil Staff drop from the Skeletal Warlord in KC. His original dropper.

Willsapper might be locked to that same old dumb spawn cycle.

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DickTrickle said:

Nothing I said would have indicated I thought they were zone based randoms. I'm confused by that comment since I clearly was anticipating Willsapper to drop from non DN mobs. I was simply noting there were only two rares in DN that were likely to drop Willsapper.

Ishva Mal is not a rare so that's why it's not dropping on other mobs. I definitely got royals loots from non Sol B mobs and they are named. Vaniki is a rare by the hunter system so I would fully expect his loot to be on likewise level rares for the expansion.

It seems like people are confused by what they think is a rare/named and what EQ specifically identifies as one.

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SorrowsEnd said:

I know it's not much of a data pool to go by. I've seen a few for sale in the tunnel so I asked folks where they dropped.

Warlord is tagged rare so it's not the same issue as the summon spell. Hopefully Willsappers drop from other mobs. Such a nice tool to have.

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Ravanta said:

I'm just not an expert on ishva mal since the only reason I ever cared about him is summon corpse. And that was barely, only ended up casting it a couple of times. With royals being basically timed duration spawns, and with my not ever seeing or hearing about an RCC dropping anywhere except royals, I wondered if if their drops were not shared. It's all good news, would be nice to not have to camp DN for a possible vaniki spawn like I did on agnarr.

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Mrniceguy said:

Warlord basically only shares a table with like 4 rares most of which people never kill. The level range in Kunark is actually quite small and has some odd rules. For Example the level 35 Soothsayer in Droga NEVER drops loot for 36+ named despite being only 1 level below them. Ravishing Drolvarg is likely the only other source people kill that could drop the staff. If we assume a 1-250 drop chance 1% 2x loot shared with 5 loot tables. That's like one staff every 5 days or so from DL. So i wouldn't expect to see many non warlord staffs.

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Sieger said:

Truebox is complete trash to be frank, it's one reason why I largely told myself I was done doing "serious" TLP after Agnarr, and I broke that vow for Selo basically because it was a very unique opportunity, outside of that I've basically only touched TLPs very casually.

The core issue with Truebox is it is a system built to appeal to people who are triggered by losing a camp to a boxer. The reality is good players don't lose camps to lone boxers and they're easy to push out of a camp. So these are you basic cuck players who cry because they saw a boxer and their little friend group of 1 Rogue, 1 Shaman, and 1 Druid trying to take a camp from a 12 boxer couldn't figure it out.

What Truebox directly causes is a scenario where "real" cheaters box with impunity and derive huge benefits from doing so, as they use programs to bypass truebox and automate their characters they can do all kinds of stuff regular players who just want to abide the rules cannot do. So for all the eras in which "concern cucks" are "concerned" about boxing, you're giving a free gift to RMTers and other botters. Then when that era starts to end (around PoP-GoD) you basically create a situation where a huge % of the server can't easily continue playing because a group of at least a few characters is needed to do much of anything in EQ even today at live at 115, and basic server dynamics start making groups harder to just throw together casually aroun this time. You're tanks and melee dps, the ones who with raid gear can most easily start to anchor a box crew, will around this time work out ways to half ass run crews under truebox rules, and the rest of your guild will largely experience grouping past that point as an experience in which you're basically asking a boxer who doesn't need anything you offer to please help you do content. Compare this to how in real EQ played on normal SOE servers from the year 2005-2021, people just made additional accounts to get through this stuff.

So in short Truebox actually just benefits RMTers and cheaters in the first 4-5 expansions of EQ and then creates server population issues that just grow over time for every server once it's out of those early eras.

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