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Bisi you made me figuratively vomit. juxtaposing your first picture with that picture, ugh.


fuck it I'm going to be the first person to scale the biggest mountain on Mars, it's like 6 times the size of Everest, and I can probably just bound up it like a god, fuck yo gravity.
 

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Yeah its something like $120k to scale that shit. I can think of a lot better ways to spend that kind of money.
Reputable groups charge around $70k - which covers porters keeping your camp maintained with food, fuel and water, Sherpa's setting up your tents at each camp and carrying oxygen up to key locations on Everest, a doctor at base camp, Sherpa's running and maintaining ropes and ladders, food and shelter, guides to accompany you up the mountain, and essentially someone telling you what to do every step of the way.
 

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Given all the media about Everest commercialism, it is very easy to armchair mountaineer without ever climbing a mountain let alone Everest. Fact is, despite how commercial summiting Everest has become since 1993, doing so remains a dangerous proposition for even advanced climbers. I also wouldn't discount a 15 year-old summiting Everest either. One particular teen climbed five of the "seven summits" prior to Everest. The 80 year-old who reached the summit in 2013 did so twice within the ten years prior (at 70 and 75) and continued to train weekly.

As for the movie, I saw it in 3D on a 76x97 feet IMAX screen. The visuals were stunning and if you have the opportunity to see it in any IMAX format, do so. Honestly, some movies are just made for that level of viewing (e.g. Gravity).

The story is, likely, well known to all. The movie, however, seems to synthesize narratives from Jon Krakauer and Beck Weathers with some writer embellishment thrown in (namely how certain climbers perished). At times, Krakauer comes off as being selfish/scared (skipping people to summit early; refusing to help search for others because . . .being snowblind [the reason, as delivered, comes off as questionable]), however given that he was unfamiliar with Everest (and possessed no 8000m experience), save for how deadly it could be, and that the storm was pounding them, most people in his situation as the movie portrays would have reacted similarly.

Anatoli Boukreev isn't given as harsh a treatment as Krakauer gives him in Into Thin Air. Yes, there is a scene where Boukreev gets admonished for wanting to summit without supplemental oxygen given that he is now a guide, however the movie shows how he braved the storm and rescued the clients from Scott Fischer's Mountain Madness company (Boukreev's employer) and even went for Fischer, alone. Note that all of Mountain Madness' clients survived. Of course, the takeaway (and Krakauer's issue) is that had Boukreev used supplemental oxygen, he would have been able to stay with the climbers longer and not head down in advance of them, thereby minimizing the death toll. But, this point is not made clear by the movie's narrative.

Given the real life accounts of Rob Hall, Jason Clarke likely nailed it. He comes off amiable, compassionate, concerned (for friends/clients/fellow climbers), and very knowledgeable. It is well-documented that Hall's empathy for his friend and fellow climber likely resulted in his death. That plays out well in Everest.

If I had any complaints about the acting, it is that James Brolin plays Beck Weathers like a total dick, which is odd given the synthesis of source material. Honestly, were this movie fiction, prior to the ascent you'd likely wish Weathers to die.

Total isolation is conveyed well and certain scenes definitely make you relieved that your Everest experience is in a comfortable theater. Seeing Weathers and Yasuko Namba lying in the snow, barely breathing, observing guides rescuing others in slightly better condition, hoping to be saved and then watching as they are left for dead, is very much a painful watch. One almost can't help but realize that at the end of the day, it is the climber versus the mountain.
 

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Reputable groups charge around $70k - which covers porters keeping your camp maintained with food, fuel and water, Sherpa's setting up your tents at each camp and carrying oxygen up to key locations on Everest, a doctor at base camp, Sherpa's running and maintaining ropes and ladders, food and shelter, guides to accompany you up the mountain, and essentially someone telling you what to do every step of the way.
Lol, is it really that easy? No wonder 15 year olds reach the top if you have experts holding your hand literally the entire way up.
 

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I think its too cold to pee off the top of the world. How do you urinate at that altitude? you can't whip your cock out, can you?
I think it would be a spectacularly bad idea. You'd probably get frostbite on the tip before you finished.

Between the cold and the aridity and the ambient pressure, bad things would happen to your unprotected penis. Not immediately and I'm not sure how long an exposure it would take, but it would happen within minutes I think (unprotected skin against that environment). You don't wanna be fuckin' around at the top of the world.
 

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If you got the cash, Everest summit is within your reach. It's not a technically challenging mountain by climbing standards. Getting to the top requires endurance training for the most part.

What's the most dangerous thing about Everest in the past 10 years? The lines.

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These lines remind me of Half Dome in Yosemite during peak times. Jesus.
 

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Given all the media about Everest commercialism, it is very easy to armchair mountaineer without ever climbing a mountain let alone Everest. Fact is, despite how commercial summiting Everest has become since 1993, doing so remains a dangerous proposition for even advanced climbers. I also wouldn't discount a 15 year-old summiting Everest either. One particular teen climbed five of the "seven summits" prior to Everest. The 80 year-old who reached the summit in 2013 did so twice within the ten years prior (at 70 and 75) and continued to train weekly.

As for the movie, I saw it in 3D on a 76x97 feet IMAX screen. The visuals were stunning and if you have the opportunity to see it in any IMAX format, do so. Honestly, some movies are just made for that level of viewing (e.g. Gravity).

The story is, likely, well known to all. The movie, however, seems to synthesize narratives from Jon Krakauer and Beck Weathers with some writer embellishment thrown in (namely how certain climbers perished). At times, Krakauer comes off as being selfish/scared (skipping people to summit early; refusing to help search for others because . . .being snowblind [the reason, as delivered, comes off as questionable]), however given that he was unfamiliar with Everest (and possessed no 8000m experience), save for how deadly it could be, and that the storm was pounding them, most people in his situation as the movie portrays would have reacted similarly.

Anatoli Boukreev isn't given as harsh a treatment as Krakauer gives him in Into Thin Air. Yes, there is a scene where Boukreev gets admonished for wanting to summit without supplemental oxygen given that he is now a guide, however the movie shows how he braved the storm and rescued the clients from Scott Fischer's Mountain Madness company (Boukreev's employer) and even went for Fischer, alone. Note that all of Mountain Madness' clients survived. Of course, the takeaway (and Krakauer's issue) is that had Boukreev used supplemental oxygen, he would have been able to stay with the climbers longer and not head down in advance of them, thereby minimizing the death toll. But, this point is not made clear by the movie's narrative.

Given the real life accounts of Rob Hall, Jason Clarke likely nailed it. He comes off amiable, compassionate, concerned (for friends/clients/fellow climbers), and very knowledgeable. It is well-documented that Hall's empathy for his friend and fellow climber likely resulted in his death. That plays out well in Everest.

If I had any complaints about the acting, it is that James Brolin plays Beck Weathers like a total dick, which is odd given the synthesis of source material. Honestly, were this movie fiction, prior to the ascent you'd likely wish Weathers to die.

Total isolation is conveyed well and certain scenes definitely make you relieved that your Everest experience is in a comfortable theater. Seeing Weathers and Yasuko Namba lying in the snow, barely breathing, observing guides rescuing others in slightly better condition, hoping to be saved and then watching as they are left for dead, is very much a painful watch. One almost can't help but realize that at the end of the day, it is the climber versus the mountain.
One of the ironic things is become it is becoming so commercial is actually making it more dangerous. A lot of injuries/fatalities are basically getting stuck near the peak standing in a queue waiting your turn to go with the traffic jam of people up there.
 

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At this point, weekend warriors paying 80-100k for the vanity of having climbed Everest are flat out assholes. If it wasn't such a huge money maker for Nepal, they'd have shut down or severely restricted access years ago. When that Canadian chick died on the way down from Everest a couple years ago, after reading her backstory, my gut reaction was "good, I'm glad that silly bitch died".

EXCLUSIVE | Canadian Everest victim used inexperienced company, lacked oxygen - Canada - CBC News

She just decided one day, after never having done any mountaineering, that she needed to climb Everest. Basically dropped her entire life, begged friends and family for cash, took money out on her mortgage and so on to try to do it on the cheap with a company that had basically no history.
 

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At this point, weekend warriors paying 80-100k for the vanity of having climbed Everest are flat out assholes. If it wasn't such a huge money maker for Nepal, they'd have shut down or severely restricted access years ago. When that Canadian chick died on the way down from Everest a couple years ago, after reading her backstory, my gut reaction was "good, I'm glad that silly bitch died".

EXCLUSIVE | Canadian Everest victim used inexperienced company, lacked oxygen - Canada - CBC News

She just decided one day, after never having done any mountaineering, that she needed to climb Everest. Basically dropped her entire life, begged friends and family for cash, took money out on her mortgage and so on to try to do it on the cheap with a company that had basically no history.
That schadenfreude is pretty blatant there, bro.
 

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At this point, weekend warriors paying 80-100k for the vanity of having climbed Everest are flat out assholes. If it wasn't such a huge money maker for Nepal, they'd have shut down or severely restricted access years ago. When that Canadian chick died on the way down from Everest a couple years ago, after reading her backstory, my gut reaction was "good, I'm glad that silly bitch died".

EXCLUSIVE | Canadian Everest victim used inexperienced company, lacked oxygen - Canada - CBC News

She just decided one day, after never having done any mountaineering, that she needed to climb Everest. Basically dropped her entire life, begged friends and family for cash, took money out on her mortgage and so on to try to do it on the cheap with a company that had basically no history.
Looks like the deciding factor was the fact that her body was not acclimated to high altitudes; so, she had to use more oxygen at a faster rate. Pretty fucking stupid to want to venture up to the peak without any experience.
 

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That schadenfreude is pretty blatant there, bro.
Maybe it is. I just think it's horrible what Everest has become: something that a suburban house wife can just up and decide one day to give a shot at. And said suburban house wife is probably lucky that she managed not to kill anyone other than herself through her single-mindedness. I don't know what the true solution is, though. Because if you severely restrict access and turn it in to some sort of lottery system, then what you'll end up with is ONLY rich assholes climbing it. In any case, hopefully her death will help discourage others like her from hurting themselves or others.

For what it's worth, I have zero interest in climbing Everest myself, or any other mountain. So it's not a matter of jealousy. Dollars wise I could certainly afford the expense. I might do a hike/trek to the base camp one of these days, if only to see it first hand. But climb? Nah.

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Looks like the deciding factor was the fact that her body was not acclimated to high altitudes; so, she had to use more oxygen at a faster rate. Pretty fucking stupid to want to venture up to the peak without any experience.
She was acclimated fine, actually. Most of the stories I read indicated that she did not suffer from acute altitude sickness or get pulmonary/cerebral edemas. She was simply not in good enough shape or strong enough to handle the physical exertion. Everyone by definition is experiencing hypoxia on that climb to one extent or another. But if you're a weak climber with only a small amount of physical training prior to going to Everest, you're going to be much worse off. You can't "train" on Everest itself, even at base camp your body is slowly wearing down from the lack of oxygen. The physical training itself has to come before you even get there.

In any case, as far the movie goes, I'll have to see it. I didn't realize it was about the 1996 disaster from the previews.
 

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Maybe it is. I just think it's horrible what Everest has become: something that a suburban house wife can just up and decide one day to give a shot at.
So? How does that affect you either way? So people are paying to have an experience, so what? Other than "fuck those people paying to do something", what difference does this make? Why be glad someone died trying to do something just so it "stays pure" ? That attitude is a little baffling, honestly. I can say people pay their money and they take their chances on that mountain, she lost, I'm not weepy over it but fuck man, I'm not glad she's dead.
 

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Because Everest isn't a fucking amusement park, and the commercialization of the climb there is having very large negative impacts on it in terms of discarded trash, pollution of run off from it being a massive human latrine, and so on. It's turned Everest base camp in to a fucking landfill. Although apparently some efforts have finally started to mitigate some of those impacts.
 

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Because Everest isn't a fucking amusement park, and the commercialization of the climb there is having very large negative impacts on it in terms of discarded trash, pollution of run off from it being a massive human latrine, and so on. It's turned Everest base camp in to a fucking landfill. Although apparently some efforts have finally started to mitigate some of those impacts.
Mmmkay, thats fine but its a pretty stark deviation from your initial point which was, fuck touristy people paying to do it without being serious mountaineers.
 

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It'll work itself out. The amount of noobs attempting Everest will just keep going up year after year, as will the death rates due to the complications related to overcrowding.

Eventually the entire mountain will be coated in dead dentists and back surgeons and will be reclassified as the highest mound of corpses on earth. Making K2 the highest mountain summit on earth. Good luck lolbuying your way up K2.
 

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Eventually the entire mountain will be coated in deadsherpasand will be reclassified as the highest mound of corpses on earth. Making K2 the highest mountain summit on earth. Good luck lolbuying your way up K2.
The rate of sherpas dying due to clearing approaches, setting lines and checking ladders etc far exceeds the tourists.