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Burren

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Watch the streamers for gameplay and game mechanics, but believe NOTHING they say about if it's "fun" or "enjoyable". They are ALL paid shills.

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That would be disappointing. But, fun is also subjective. People saying that you can solo pull a whole zone in THJ and massacre it was fun. I would disagree and call that boring because there’s zero challenge or risk.
 
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That would be disappointing. But, fun is also subjective. People saying that you can solo pull a whole zone in THJ and massacre it was fun. I would disagree and call that boring because there’s zero challenge or risk.
I refuse to engage in even-handed, balanced takes.
 
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Mrniceguy

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Watch the streamers for gameplay and game mechanics, but believe NOTHING they say about if it's "fun" or "enjoyable". They are ALL paid shills.

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It's wild how much $$ they spent marketing this shit already but honestly who could they even get, the only decent sized Streamer that will touch EQ is Cohh and he already said this is shit so...
 
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Burns

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People saying that you can solo pull a whole zone in THJ and massacre it was fun. I would disagree and call that boring because there’s zero challenge or risk.
Clearing the whole zone was for grinding AA and item xp. How would you rather grind out AA?

[Using a SK/Rog/Wiz] It took at least 1000+ AA in THJ in order to clear everything but that last boss or three. For example, I started mostly in Velious. At max level and ~500 AA, I could not kill most of the dragons in NToV, nor the end bosses in giant or dragon city. The final boss of the Xpac was Sleeper, a custom made boss by THJ team; I think I needed ~1500 AA in order to kill him (plus a decent amount of upgraded NToV gear).

[Using a SK/Brd/Wiz] For grinding, at ~500 AA, I could not kill all of Dragon Necropolis at once. I had to break it into at least 4 or 5 pulls. At ~1000 AA I could pull all of the top in 1 pull then all of the rat tunnels in 1 pull (DN was too buggy to try to do the whole zone, imo). By the time the rats were mega crit nuked by Wiz buffed Bard nukes, the top was respawned, so off to do al that again.

Would you rather march through Dragon Necropolis killing a few mobs at a time getting 1/20th the XP rate? That is somehow more fun? That is going to be the zone where mobs give the most xp per hp, so if you want to slow march through somewhere else, it's going to take even longer.

I don't remember the actual time spent, but grinding XP in Velious didn't feel like it was taking that long or being overly tedious. Once I could clear Sleeper, I didn't grind XP until Luclin and found grind spots in Luclin to grind item XP. Plane of Fire is where I could pull a massive amount of mobs (~60% of the zone) and burn it with Bard/Wiz synergy in ~3 spells. I still split it into a front group and a back group due to the game crashing while trying to process all those crits at the same time (Wiz spells would crash in PoF, but bard wouldn't). Since AA was all farmed and I was only doing it for item XP, it became enough of a drag that I decided to end PoP and wait for LDoN, even though I could not reliably kill the last 2 bosses (1 being a custom THJ boss).

Edit: Most zones were not being mass pulled and those zones that were, didn't usually have bosses in them. The three zones I mass pulled were DN, Umbral Plains, and PoFire (many people did Chardok too; Vex Thal was too buggy to do reliably). The instances you could spin up with bosses in them had long cooldowns.
 
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Burren

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Clearing the whole zone was for grinding AA and item xp. How would you rather grind out AA?

[Using a SK/Rog/Wiz] It took at least 1000+ AA in THJ in order to clear everything but that last boss or three. For example, I started mostly in Velious. At max level and ~500 AA, I could not kill most of the dragons in NToV, nor the end bosses in giant or dragon city. The final boss of the Xpac was Sleeper, a custom made boss by THJ team; I think I needed ~1500 AA in order to kill him (plus a decent amount of upgraded NToV gear).

[Using a SK/Brd/Wiz] For grinding, at ~500 AA, I could not kill all of Dragon Necropolis at once. I had to break it into at least 4 or 5 pulls. At ~1000 AA I could pull all of the top in 1 pull then all of the rat tunnels in 1 pull (DN was too buggy to try to do the whole zone, imo). By the time the rats were mega crit nuked by Wiz buffed Bard nukes, the top was respawned, so off to do al that again.

Would you rather march through Dragon Necropolis killing a few mobs at a time getting 1/20th the XP rate? That is somehow more fun? That is going to be the zone where mobs give the most xp per hp, so if you want to slow march through somewhere else, it's going to take even longer.

I don't remember the actual time spent, but grinding XP in Velious didn't feel like it was taking that long or being overly tedious. Once I could clear Sleeper, I didn't grind XP until Luclin and found grind spots in Luclin to grind item XP. Plane of Fire is where I could pull a massive amount of mobs (~60% of the zone) and burn it with Bard/Wiz synergy in ~3 spells. I still split it into a front group and a back group due to the game crashing while trying to process all those crits at the same time (Wiz spells would crash in PoF, but bard wouldn't). Since AA was all farmed and I was only doing it for item XP, it became enough of a drag that I decided to end PoP and wait for LDoN, even though I could not reliably kill the last 2 bosses (1 being a custom THJ boss).

Edit: Most zones were not being mass pulled and those zones that were, didn't usually have bosses in them. The three zones I mass pulled were DN, Umbral Plains, and PoFire (many people did Chardok too; Vex Thal was too buggy to do reliably). The instances you could spin up with bosses in them had long cooldowns.
If your goal is max xp per hour then you’re absolutely correct, that’s the best route. I just don’t think that’s necessary for vanilla EQL. Come Kunark, probably.
 

taimaishoo

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That would be disappointing. But, fun is also subjective. People saying that you can solo pull a whole zone in THJ and massacre it was fun. I would disagree and call that boring because there’s zero challenge or risk.
Is killing a couple of mobs at a time any more challenging or dangerous? Like Burns said, the killing entire zones was purely for AA/leveling items. It made the tedious/boring parts of the game go a little faster. This was also possible on live with swarming/headshot (prenerf) etc, so it’s not like this was a THJ specific thing.
 
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Mrniceguy

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Nah sir you don't understand turning auto attack every 60 is HIGH APM HIGH skill gameplay. You Zoomers just don't get it.
 

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Clearing the whole zone was for grinding AA and item xp. How would you rather grind out AA?
Not directly related to your conversation but the idea I'd love to see in a TLP (or any game really) is a system where the longer you keep mobs dead in an area the harder and more rewarding it gets. In EQ just jacking up the spawn rates by 25% everytime a mob is killed with X minutes of being spawned would be enough.
 
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Burren

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Is killing a couple of mobs at a time any more challenging or dangerous? Like Burns said, the killing entire zones was purely for AA/leveling items. It made the tedious/boring parts of the game go a little faster. This was also possible on live with swarming/headshot (prenerf) etc, so it’s not like this was a THJ specific thing.
No, the tedium isn’t fun. Like I mentioned pages ago, I never played THJ and hadn’t even heard about it until a week ago, so I’m just learning the history of this server model.
I “think” I know what I will and won’t enjoy, but time will tell.