Everquest Legends

Ashe · 2026-05-30T07:17:13-0400

Personal loot and solo instances are so much better than the alternative. Get to a camp that someone is already camping, and they send you an invite without you even asking. If the group is full, you can always just spin up a solo instance and wonder from named to named or afk whenever you want without having to worry about losing your camp(s). It’s crazy how a game so tuned to be able to solo does a better job to encourage grouping.

Torrid · 2026-05-30T18:32:36-0400

I once played a MUD 30 years ago where groups had no limit on the number of people inside them and experience was granted to everybody without being split. The result was the entire population of the server grouped together, which was comical. It didn't last very long. These ideas aren't new.

I think that people who "don't have time" to play real EQ are just making excuses and just want to play other games instead, and/or can't tolerate seeing other people with more time advance faster than they do, which is not entirely unreasonable. I think servers should have progressive level caps to prevent people from poopsocking to end game and getting a large advantage over people who don't play 12 hours day, instead of turning the game into a single player MMO in name only. But that's just me

rolien · 2026-05-30T18:50:42-0400

Torrid said:
I think that people who "don't have time" to play real EQ are just making excuses and just want to play other games instead, and/or can't tolerate seeing other people with more time advance faster than they do, which is not entirely unreasonable. I think servers should have progressive level caps to prevent people from poopsocking to end game and getting a large advantage over people who don't play 12 hours day, instead of turning the game into a single player MMO in name only. But that's just me

Real EQ is infested with botters and some actual real boxers.

It's not just don't have time It's I'm not going to pay for 6 accounts per month. Everquest when I was growing up was awesome the world and music were legit fantasy fuel that took you away to a different world. Now it's a cheater infested shit hole. THJ allowed people to experience the world again without the requirements of 6boxing and paying for a redguides subscription.

Some of us want to experience the game without the cheater and without the requirement of paying for 6 accounts. The gameplay of EQ is simple it's not hard, it's not challenging it's mandatory things do to much damage to solo so people cheat.

I don't wanna deal with cheaters this has nothing to do with time.

Also I like the "see others progress faster because they have more time" yes that's the reason and not the faggots boxing and army saying they're doing it legit while their characters act at the same time as every other character they're playing.

Kithani · 2026-05-30T19:21:40-0400

Torrid said:
I once played a MUD 30 years ago where groups had no limit on the number of people inside them and experience was granted to everybody without being split. The result was the entire population of the server grouped together, which was comical. It didn't last very long. These ideas aren't new.

I think that people who "don't have time" to play real EQ are just making excuses and just want to play other games instead, and/or can't tolerate seeing other people with more time advance faster than they do, which is not entirely unreasonable. I think servers should have progressive level caps to prevent people from poopsocking to end game and getting a large advantage over people who don't play 12 hours day, instead of turning the game into a single player MMO in name only. But that's just me

Bro I got a lot of respect for the work you’ve done and I enjoyed the crap out of TAKP but do you think your status as Hardcore EMU Dev *maybe* just maybe, puts you out of touch with what normal people who played EQ in 2000 are like in 2026

dragonbr · 2026-05-30T19:38:11-0400

rolien said:
Real EQ is infested with botters and some actual real boxers.

It's not just don't have time It's I'm not going to pay for 6 accounts per month. Everquest when I was growing up was awesome the world and music were legit fantasy fuel that took you away to a different world. Now it's a cheater infested shit hole. THJ allowed people to experience the world again without the requirements of 6boxing and paying for a redguides subscription.

Some of us want to experience the game without the cheater and without the requirement of paying for 6 accounts. The gameplay of EQ is simple it's not hard, it's not challenging it's mandatory things do to much damage to solo so people cheat.

I don't wanna deal with cheaters this has nothing to do with time.

Also I like the "see others progress faster because they have more time" yes that's the reason and not the faggots boxing and army saying they're doing it legit while their characters act at the same time as every other character they're playing.

You really dont have to deal with botters at all in a mass majorty of cases. Ill conceded there are certain camps throughout all of eq where botting is a legitimate problem (circlet of shadow comes to mind immediately) But you are the eq archtype that goes out of your way to turn just playing into playing investor gadget, where you go group to group documenting bots and sperging out out on the official boards about them.

Is your theory that if they weren't boxing that they'd instead be there on 1 or 2 characters forming pugs for people like you? Because I assure you the days for a majority of the population have long given up on that idea outside of the very early stages of launches.

Blitz · 2026-05-30T19:40:19-0400

Torrid said:
But that's just me

It's just you.

Ashe · 2026-05-30T20:44:42-0400

I have time, but it’s just spread out here and there. I have to get off at a moment’s notice. That just doesn’t work with traditional mmo’s. So to experience any sort of progress, I have to box which I absolutely hate doing. EQL is the perfect way for me to get to experience the game I have loved since ‘99.

moonarchia · 2026-05-30T21:34:27-0400

Torrid said:
I think servers should have progressive level caps to prevent people from poopsocking to end game and getting a large advantage over people who don't play 12 hours day, instead of turning the game into a single player MMO in name only. But that's just me

There are no advantages to poopsocking in EQL. There is no competition for spawns. There are lockouts on getting loot from raid targets, which is fine. You can literally just PUG and/or instance it all. This is a single player game with guilds and chat channels like EQ was. It's just leaning into it from the start instead of making you wait until mercs or having to 3-6 box.

And there are level caps. 50 in vanilla. And however many AAs it takes to cap everything out.

Shitloads of customization too. The focus/proc swapping system is really quite awesome. Just got an earthshaker tonight. Dropped motes to get it to +4 and yoinked the proc out to put in my best ratio 2hs instead. Still need to get 2 more levels to start seeing it explode things, but there you go. Same thing with caster augs.

Stances and invocations are getting kind of neat.

Torrid · 2026-05-30T22:04:12-0400

I'm not saying that ez-servers shouldn't exist or are bad. I think the multi-classing stuff is interesting. The MUD I played the most up until EQ's 1999 launch had a remort system where you could delevel your character to level 1, add another class to it and the experience per level was multiplied by the number of classes you had. I just quibble with calling these servers "classic EQ" and saying such and such server where I soloed Nagafen is more like "classic EQ" sounds silly.

Kithani · 2026-05-30T22:19:25-0400

Torrid said:
I'm not saying that ez-servers shouldn't exist or are bad. I think the multi-classing stuff is interesting. The MUD I played the most up until EQ's 1999 launch had a remort system where you could delevel your character to level 1, add another class to it and the experience per level was multiplied by the number of classes you had. I just quibble with calling these servers "classic EQ" and saying such and such server where I soloed Nagafen is more like "classic EQ" sounds silly.

So you’re arguing with something absolutely nobody said? Lol

P99 and TAKP have their place nobody trying to argue that

moonarchia · 2026-05-30T22:25:09-0400

Torrid said:
I'm not saying that ez-servers shouldn't exist or are bad. I think the multi-classing stuff is interesting. The MUD I played the most up until EQ's 1999 launch had a remort system where you could delevel your character to level 1, add another class to it and the experience per level was multiplied by the number of classes you had. I just quibble with calling these servers "classic EQ" and saying such and such server where I soloed Nagafen is more like "classic EQ" sounds silly.

Classic in this usage refers to vanilla zones and class abilities/spells. It's obviously not going to be 1:1 as it already has BST and BER, and it has a lot of additional QOL stuff and a lot of new systems.

yerm · 2026-05-30T22:26:36-0400

rolien said:
Real EQ is infested with botters and some actual real boxers.

It's not just don't have time It's I'm not going to pay for 6 accounts per month. Everquest when I was growing up was awesome the world and music were legit fantasy fuel that took you away to a different world. Now it's a cheater infested shit hole. THJ allowed people to experience the world again without the requirements of 6boxing and paying for a redguides subscription.

Some of us want to experience the game without the cheater and without the requirement of paying for 6 accounts. The gameplay of EQ is simple it's not hard, it's not challenging it's mandatory things do to much damage to solo so people cheat.

I don't wanna deal with cheaters this has nothing to do with time.

Also I like the "see others progress faster because they have more time" yes that's the reason and not the faggots boxing and army saying they're doing it legit while their characters act at the same time as every other character they're playing.

I think a big problem is that the entire mindset to gaming has changed to where people get REALLY fucking angry when they don't have x but someone else has x. Everquest worked back in its day because people were willing to grind and people were willing to challenge or whatever, sure, not wrong... but most importantly, everquest worked because people didn't see someone with something cool and say "FUCK that guy!" they at most said "oh I wanna get that too" if not just "hey cool" and moving on.

I understand the sentiment of just wanting a fair playing field and being cool with others who have more time getting more. I think we're the exception. Most people just get salty at the nolifers too, at least as salty as at a cheater! I had the top cleric on combine for a while and his gear was dogshit compared to what people with 50% raid attendance could sport on phinny+ tlps. Yet people INSIST they need bis. They throw fits if they dont get drops. Its not just about having no time for the game, its also having no stomach for being mediocre and an inability to just cope with it. So in the end it doesn't really matter if its botting or hacking or rmt or living on a fixed income... people are envious now when they play games.

The people who just play eq at their own pace and shoot the shit seem to do fine. These people are the exception though. It's also not just an eq problem, but, eq is extra autistic.

yerm · 2026-05-30T22:29:17-0400

Torrid said:
I'm not saying that ez-servers shouldn't exist or are bad. I think the multi-classing stuff is interesting. The MUD I played the most up until EQ's 1999 launch had a remort system where you could delevel your character to level 1, add another class to it and the experience per level was multiplied by the number of classes you had. I just quibble with calling these servers "classic EQ" and saying such and such server where I soloed Nagafen is more like "classic EQ" sounds silly.

I'm of the opinion that p99 servers are so heavily dumbed down with lists and queues and other handouts that despite how different they feel... real TLPs are far closer to the actual classic eq feel than most of these popular emulators. Classic eq was camp monopolies and total domination of lesser guilds and other fun times. If there isn't that kind of absolutely brutal social element and clear losers... its not really classic eq.

Burns · 2026-05-30T22:41:46-0400

Kithani said:
So you’re arguing with something absolutely nobody said? Lol

P99 and TAKP have their place nobody trying to argue that

I wrote my senator about banning P99 and TAKP just the other day. I told him those people (players) need be on multiple government lists and should probably just be put in jail for the public's safety. He hasn't wrote back yet, so I'll give him another week before I call the president.

Kithani · 2026-05-30T22:47:03-0400

Burns said:
I wrote my senator about banning P99 and TAKP just the other day. I told him those people (players) need be on multiple government lists and should probably just be put in jail for the public's safety. He hasn't wrote back yet, so I'll give him another week before I call the president.

I mean… did you remember to mention Nirgon?

moonarchia · 2026-05-30T23:19:00-0400

yerm said:
I'm of the opinion that p99 servers are so heavily dumbed down with lists and queues and other handouts that despite how different they feel... real TLPs are far closer to the actual classic eq feel than most of these popular emulators. Classic eq was camp monopolies and total domination of lesser guilds and other fun times. If there isn't that kind of absolutely brutal social element and clear losers... its not really classic eq.

Good news! Your vision is being attempted for the kajillionth time over at MnM!

The casual slobs that actually pay to play will continue playing games that cater to them instead of OG EQ or MnM style sweatfests.

yerm · 2026-05-30T23:24:33-0400

moonarchia said:
Good news! Your vision is being attempted for the kajillionth time over at MnM!

The casual slobs that actually pay to play will continue playing games that cater to them instead of OG EQ or MnM style sweatfests.

MnM isnt for me. Its not the old timey bs that makes a game fun. Its not the forced downtime and group dependence; I actively DISLIKE that. It is PURELY the social world where there are contested limited resources and meaningful competition BUT the game is "easy" to where you dont NEED to win to play and progress that I liked about eq and dont feel like they have much of anymore.

The kind of game I'd want is going to be something closer to like new world, but not full of unfinished or poorly designed ruin, of course.

moonarchia · 2026-05-30T23:35:23-0400

yerm said:
MnM isnt for me. Its not the old timey bs that makes a game fun. Its not the forced downtime and group dependence; I actively DISLIKE that. It is PURELY the social world where there are contested limited resources and meaningful competition BUT the game is "easy" to where you dont NEED to win to play and progress that I liked about eq and dont feel like they have much of anymore.

The kind of game I'd want is going to be something closer to like new world, but not full of unfinished or poorly designed ruin, of course.

EQ was only "hard" until communities started racing to get information out. Once you knew where to go at what level to kill things, and what gear to aim for, it just became a poopsock game. Once you realize that, the bubble is popped forever. If there's enough people to have any buzz whatsoever, there will be quest and mob databases day 1 for any MMO. There will never be another 'hard' game in that way ever again.

EQ is still a fun game in the rotation, but that's because they made it accessible to all. The new challenge is learning the vibe coded horror of ad hoc systems they have holding it all together like bubble gum and string.

rolien · 2026-05-31T00:55:21-0400

dragonbr said:
You really dont have to deal with botters at all in a mass majorty of cases. Ill conceded there are certain camps throughout all of eq where botting is a legitimate problem (circlet of shadow comes to mind immediately) But you are the eq archtype that goes out of your way to turn just playing into playing investor gadget, where you go group to group documenting bots and sperging out out on the official boards about them.

Is your theory that if they weren't boxing that they'd instead be there on 1 or 2 characters forming pugs for people like you? Because I assure you the days for a majority of the population have long given up on that idea outside of the very early stages of launches.

First it would be Inspector Gadget you fucking pleb.
Second... The fuck you talking about? You act like you need to go out and look for these queers on TLP's like... Bro are you high? Play any TLP, and you'll instantly see wave's of botters. Like who are we kidding? I reported and sent in tons of videos yes but I didn't have to go search these faggots out. No they were fucking everywhere who are you trying to fool? Everyone knows this it's not even a fucking mystery, it's not some conspiracy. It's botters. Open up LFG chat? Bots selling PL. Go to Guk? Bots camping everything. Go try to level in Dawnshroud? Bots.

Like fuck off with this strawman bullshit "It's only someplaces" no it's everywhere, you're trying to isolate afk bots camping spawns from people using redguides bullshit bot software to run their other characters. Both are botting just different types.

yerm said:
I think a big problem is that the entire mindset to gaming has changed to where people get REALLY fucking angry when they don't have x but someone else has x. Everquest worked back in its day because people were willing to grind and people were willing to challenge or whatever, sure, not wrong... but most importantly, everquest worked because people didn't see someone with something cool and say "FUCK that guy!" they at most said "oh I wanna get that too" if not just "hey cool" and moving on.

I understand the sentiment of just wanting a fair playing field and being cool with others who have more time getting more. I think we're the exception. Most people just get salty at the nolifers too, at least as salty as at a cheater! I had the top cleric on combine for a while and his gear was dogshit compared to what people with 50% raid attendance could sport on phinny+ tlps. Yet people INSIST they need bis. They throw fits if they dont get drops. Its not just about having no time for the game, its also having no stomach for being mediocre and an inability to just cope with it. So in the end it doesn't really matter if its botting or hacking or rmt or living on a fixed income... people are envious now when they play games.

The people who just play eq at their own pace and shoot the shit seem to do fine. These people are the exception though. It's also not just an eq problem, but, eq is extra autistic.

I get where you're coming from and why I don't think it's time. EQL is a way to get away from the cheaters and just enjoy the world while relaxing and playing the game. Personally if I see something awesome I want to know how they got it so I can try and get one, like epic weapons.

Kirun · 2026-05-31T01:03:03-0400

yerm said:
but most importantly, everquest worked because people didn't see someone with something cool and say "FUCK that guy!" they at most said "oh I wanna get that too" if not just "hey cool" and moving on.

Huh? The term "ninja looting" basically starts/gets popular in online gaming with EverQuest. Are you sure you played EQ? Or is your nostalgia just clouding your memory to the point you can't remember all the horrible shit people did to each other in that game?

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