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Torrid

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Just a little FYI for beastlords. I parsed beastlord slows as a level 50 caster.

Drowsy is 22%
Languid Pace is 27%
Sha's Lethary is 40%

I tested Drowsy unupgraded then also after upgrading it to rank 3 and both were 22%, so upgrading doesn't make the slows better. (which would make Turgur's batshit insane so that's a good thing)
 
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Flobee

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Just a little FYI for beastlords. I parsed beastlord slows as a level 50 caster.

Drowsy is 22%
Languid Pace is 27%
Sha's Lethary is 40%

I tested Drowsy unupgraded then also after upgrading it to rank 3 and both were 22%, so upgrading doesn't make the slows better. (which would make Turgur's batshit insane so that's a good thing)
Been tinkering with the idea of doing war + rng/bst + shm/clr for launch. Really enjoyed war so happy to stick with it, but I want slow and better heals for sure. Rogue is cool in theory but just doesn't feel good enough to keep in.

Glad to see beast slow is pretty good, they seemed pretty awful so hopefully pet changes getting them to be playable
 

Torrid

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The problem with slows is how the math works. The closer you get to 100% the more insane slow gets. Turgur's is 75% and this makes the attack delay 4x. I.e. if the mob unslowed hit every 2 seconds, with Turgur's it hits every 8 seconds. Sha's Lethargy at 40% would make that 2 second attack delay 3.33 seconds. Assuming Togor's is 60% at level 50, the attack delay for this 2 second mob would be 5 seconds. So while them buffing beastlord Lethargy was needed since beastlords don't get their good stuff until Kunark and PoP, it's still not going to make them slow anywhere near shamans or enchanters. Sha's Lethargy is also a level 50 spell so it's a long wait for it.
 
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Siliconemelons

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The problem with slows is how the math works. The closer you get to 100% the more insane slow gets. Turgur's is 75% and this makes the attack delay 4x. I.e. if the mob unslowed hit every 2 seconds, with Turgur's it hits every 8 seconds. Sha's Lethargy at 40% would make that 2 second attack delay 3.33 seconds. Assuming Togor's is 60% at level 50, the attack delay for this 2 second mob would be 5 seconds. So while them buffing beastlord Lethargy was needed since beastlords don't get their good stuff until Kunark and PoP, it's still not going to make them slow anywhere near shamans or enchanters. Sha's Lethargy is also a level 50 spell so it's a long wait for it.

Should a beastlord slow as good as a shaman?
 

Kaines

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Should a beastlord slow as good as a shaman?
Ah... the age old debate between hybrid and base class.


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yerm

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Back in the way ol day, slow was defining because heals were typically a bottleneck. Going from 50 to 75% slow meant taking half as much damage and therefore spending only half as much time waiting for the cleric to stop whining and be ready again.

Eq, imo, doesnt really go that way anymore. Its a pass fail where you either handle the damage or you dont. Kill faster > heal less, as long as you can survive. Mana downtime isnt much of a bottleneck like it used to be.
 

Djay

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Are there any combos that are really shitty? I combined Paladin with Bard and I didn't even think about what it'll be like to twist songs while trying to cast other spells. My friend wants to go Enchanter/Rogue, so I guess we'll see how that goes.
Also, what happens with a Beastlord/Mage...do you get two pets? One uber pet?
 

moonarchia

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Are there any combos that are really shitty? I combined Paladin with Bard and I didn't even think about what it'll be like to twist songs while trying to cast other spells. My friend wants to go Enchanter/Rogue, so I guess we'll see how that goes.
Also, what happens with a Beastlord/Mage...do you get two pets? One uber pet?
Twisting isn't a thing. You can have 5 AE songs up at all times with symphonic aura, and you can use /melody for single target songs.
 
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Djay

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Twisting isn't a thing. You can have 5 AE songs up at all times with symphonic aura, and you can use /melody for single target songs.
Good to know, thanks. I'm busy for the next couple weeks, so I'm not planning on putting much time into the Beta, but I'm trying to read up on things when I have time.
 

Torrid

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Should a beastlord slow as good as a shaman?
Obviously not. But beastlord level 65 slow is 65%, vs 70% for enchanters and 75% shamans, so the gap narrows in later eras. I wasn't asking for a better slow, I was just telling Flobee that 40% slow isn't as good as he may be thinking. Although to be honest I think slow a big problem on a server where everything is slowable.
 

Kharzette

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Haha I unlocked half elf and changed my second loadout to it. It let me set a very wide variety of start locations. I chose qeynos catacombs for laughs. Still a tunare cleric btw haha.

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Some of the roamers attack but all the guildmasters and vendors are chill. Bought one of those fancy purple robes!
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Kaines

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Shimmering Ruby Stilleto proc still being broken after a week is lame.
Patches are only on Tuesdays now. (unless it's hotfixes to fix game crashes) Since they have to follow DBG protocols now that money is being taken and DBG is overseeing everything. You aren't going to get the random Friday patch. There is far more redtape now.
 
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Kuro

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Are there any combos that are really shitty? I combined Paladin with Bard and I didn't even think about what it'll be like to twist songs while trying to cast other spells. My friend wants to go Enchanter/Rogue, so I guess we'll see how that goes.
Also, what happens with a Beastlord/Mage...do you get two pets? One uber pet?
One pet at a time, but each pet class in your trio unlocks a number of pet gear slots for your pet (MAG/BST are 3 slots each, Necro 2, don't know if Enc gets any natively). The pets are all Warrior+Something else for their classes, for gearing purposes. Enchanter pet can weild the Paladin holy swords
 
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