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Sieger said:

I mean, let's consider the reality:

• I actually think there was a war called the "meme war" and that I'm a "veteran" because I "fought in it"
• OR that's just a silly fucking joke and you're a bit of a bitch for not having a sense of humor

We'll have to decide on our own which of those two options is a thing.

I'll also point out--in case it hasn't been stated enough, all of these conversations were in the context of a channel that had basically FoH style "no moderation" rules and in which most days we'd throw insults like that around and then laugh about them the next day. The "subject" of that image you quoted got upset I think because we started to hurt him in his fees fees and he was used to being the "edgelord" and didn't know how to react, but he's in an "emotional place now" so I'll avoid addressing him by name. I don't go around snippeting people's conversations, and the channel is long since deleted, but that individual expressed ideas in the chat that women aren't people, should be held as sex slaves to their husbands etc. So yeah, I'll be honest--people who talk that way I talk badly to, but because I don't make it a habit to screenshot stupid Discord convos I don't have the full context to share (nor is it really important, it only affects the participants in that channel.)

I'll also note this--not a single copied message of mine contained a single threat.

Instead I used phrasing like "this person needs to be killed" or "it would be great if this person was killed" or "this person should be killed." Those avoid direct address in a very deliberate way, and if you want to peruse the political discourse in the United States you will find high ranking, current U.S. government officials who speak the same way. You may also find them "clarify" later that "they weren't threatening anyone."

Saying you hope someone dies of an illness also of course, isn't a threat. It's simply a rude expression.

One of the dumb things about people who selectively copy messages from a guild discord, is you lose any context. These were conversations between guildies in a private discord. There was never once a day where people were just chilling and someone came in and said "wow I hope all MAGA die", instead any comments of that sort ever made were after a long back and forth in which increasing absurdity had lead to a conversational tone of unseriousness. Ayonic who seems to possibly have autism, or at the very least "big bitch baby syndrome", the 2 total times he ever personally stepped into those discussions came off like a crybaby who thought he was observing something far more serious than what was actually happening.

You aren't a member of our guild and aren't in our private discord, so you actually aren't a stakeholder in this nor is your opinion informed on anything other than the selective quoting of a fat Mormon virgin who made a 90 minute crybaby video.

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Regime said:

Where is Ceciliantas when you need him?

Have some 20 year old drama you old tards.

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Sieger said:

The funny thing, my real politics are probably significantly more conservative than people like you think they are. But am I really going to get super into that in a venue like the guild discord or websites like this one? Not really, I'm a meme war veteran, I learned a long time ago that you should never expect a rational, serious political discussion online. Are there venues where that occurs? Sure, it happens, but it's the exception to the norm.

My core political ethos is far more anti-populist than it is being "far left" or "far right", my policy positions are mostly a mixture of stuff that would be mainstream in Bill Clinton's Democratic party or George W. Bush's Republican party. I loathe populism of any kind because I am largely in favor of elites running the country and think the "common man" is a fucking plague that should be beaten with a club anytime it starts acting up.

My political arguments in Discord are almost entirely built around "if someone interjects a very low effort, low information nonsense I'm going to shit on them", and once an "escalation cascade" begins where they start saying dumber and dumber things, I'm going to say more and more incendiary things. I learned a long time ago, there's no "high road" in discussions of this nature.

The other thing is, essentially never did I randomly "start" a political discussion. They always popped off because our cast of low information guys would post some nonsense. But if they were posting low information Bernie Sanders shit, I'd have gone after them for that too. It's because the vast majority of EQ guilds are right wing, that rarely happens, it's no secret probably 70% of any EQ guild are righties, so just based on statistics the dumb shit is going to be posted from that side. I think far too many people are allowed to feel comfortable in sharing dumb ideas that never get challenged. One solution for that is for them to stop sharing their dumb ideas. The other is for them to be bullied into a 90 minute crybaby video if they can't stop themselves from posting dumb ideas.

In that vein, if people truly adhered to the "no politics" rule in a guild, I'd never discuss them. But I don't believe in typical "no politics" rules, where they are loosely enforced, so random mouth breathers drop turds of stupidity here and there and the "polite" guildies have to roll their eyes and tolerate it so they don't break the "no politics" rule. If you want a no politics rule it should mean you get like 3 strikes, 3rd time you mention politics gkick. Otherwise it is just a rule that disarms the reasonable in favor of the stupid and unreasonable. But BTW, no guild will enforce a rule like that because if your top DPS Monk posts stupid political shit 3 times, you're not going to gkick him, hence the problem.

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Juvarisx said:

Man they really don’t make em like this anymore. Thats gotta be pre 2000 drama

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Sieger said:

I mean, let's consider the reality:

• I actually think there was a war called the "meme war" and that I'm a "veteran" because I "fought in it"
• OR that's just a silly fucking joke and you're a bit of a bitch for not having a sense of humor

We'll have to decide on our own which of those two options is a thing.

I'll also point out--in case it hasn't been stated enough, all of these conversations were in the context of a channel that had basically FoH style "no moderation" rules and in which most days we'd throw insults like that around and then laugh about them the next day. The "subject" of that image you quoted got upset I think because we started to hurt him in his fees fees and he was used to being the "edgelord" and didn't know how to react, but he's in an "emotional place now" so I'll avoid addressing him by name. I don't go around snippeting people's conversations, and the channel is long since deleted, but that individual expressed ideas in the chat that women aren't people, should be held as sex slaves to their husbands etc. So yeah, I'll be honest--people who talk that way I talk badly to, but because I don't make it a habit to screenshot stupid Discord convos I don't have the full context to share (nor is it really important, it only affects the participants in that channel.)

I'll also note this--not a single copied message of mine contained a single threat.

Instead I used phrasing like "this person needs to be killed" or "it would be great if this person was killed" or "this person should be killed." Those avoid direct address in a very deliberate way, and if you want to peruse the political discourse in the United States you will find high ranking, current U.S. government officials who speak the same way. You may also find them "clarify" later that "they weren't threatening anyone."

Saying you hope someone dies of an illness also of course, isn't a threat. It's simply a rude expression.

One of the dumb things about people who selectively copy messages from a guild discord, is you lose any context. These were conversations between guildies in a private discord. There was never once a day where people were just chilling and someone came in and said "wow I hope all MAGA die", instead any comments of that sort ever made were after a long back and forth in which increasing absurdity had lead to a conversational tone of unseriousness. Ayonic who seems to possibly have autism, or at the very least "big bitch baby syndrome", the 2 total times he ever personally stepped into those discussions came off like a crybaby who thought he was observing something far more serious than what was actually happening.

You aren't a member of our guild and aren't in our private discord, so you actually aren't a stakeholder in this nor is your opinion informed on anything other than the selective quoting of a fat Mormon virgin who made a 90 minute crybaby video.

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