Everquest TLP - Aradune and Rizlona Servers (Now with real customer service)

Yeah my experience was epic fists were always doing better on motm. I could be remembering wrong but I spent a lot of time thinking about how the motm impacted it as I would have assumed the damage bonus would pull past the epic fists but that’s not what I experienced on mangler in velious at least. It was awhile ago so I won’t say 100% but I’m reasonably sure.

Deeone said:

Yeah my experience was epic fists were always doing better on motm. I could be remembering wrong but I spent a lot of time thinking about how the motm impacted it as I would have assumed the damage bonus would pull past the epic fists but that’s not what I experienced on mangler in velious at least. It was awhile ago so I won’t say 100% but I’m reasonably sure.

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its super close but i did a ton of parsing that showed the mainhand from sky slightly pulls ahead, only reason could be the damage bonus

Cupie12 said:

no you want a faster weapon because it doesnt mitigate damage bonus from weapons, which is why a weapon in MH will always be better than bare fists even with epic atleast on motm mobs

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Do what this guy says, he knows what's up.

I remember when it went in the first time and everyone was trying to figure out what weapons to use and who got fucked but the details escaped me.

Cupie12 said:

its super close but i did a ton of parsing that showed the mainhand from sky slightly pulls ahead, only reason could be the damage bonus

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Ah yeah I was referencing epic fists vs end game velious weapons on velious raid mobs. I actually don’t know with regards to classic, I think the fists at 50 are 20/38 so the sky weapon outparsing I could see for sure.

Xevy said:

The charm changes will be interesting. You can't charm rares, so RIP AJ snaking and Allisaur leveling, but you also can't dispel charms so GG enchanter gank squads.

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Zaide said:

For raiding you should be using Wu's Fist from Sky until you upgrade to Primal / Gharn's / FoN shit.

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Not even worth it, these are just minor upgrades over epic with just fist. Save the dkp or krono and just use epic until after pop.

Elderan said:

Not even worth it, these are just minor upgrades over epic with just fist. Save the dkp or krono and just use epic until after pop.

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Luclin and above weapons are much better than fists. You're just giving away a ton of DPS if you wait until after pop.

DickTrickle said:

Luclin and above weapons are much better than fists. You're just giving away a ton of DPS if you wait until after pop.

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Since the monk innate nerfs its a few percent different at most.

Would definitely go monk if I wasn't too lazy to pull.

Probably going wizard for the drop a couple bombs then afk for a little bit life

Ambiturner said:

Would definitely go monk if I wasn't too lazy to pull.

Probably going wizard for the drop a couple bombs then afk for a little bit life

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No focus effects until Luclin makes casters a lot weaker. Melee still get their AAs though because reasons.

I don't mind being weaker but no focus effects make the already shoddy itemization of the first few expansions even shoddier.

Headshot kinda sucks now

Blitz said:

So experience for the coming servers is supposed to be the Mangler rate, which is supposed to be near what Ragefire and Lockjaw was, no? Phinigel & Agnarr were beat downs. Ragefire didn't seem that bad at all?

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The first change to experience rates on TLPs shows up in Gates of Discord. Agnarr never gets to Gates of Discord so their exp rates never changed from launch. Mangler is not yet at Gates of Discord either so their rates have also not changed from launch. Doing some testing (same character killing the same mob in the same zone) their exp rates are identical. With Rizlona and Aradune advertised at the Mangler exp rate that is also the Agnarr exp rate. Agnarr is noticeably slower than RF/LJ were but I would still consider it acceptable. This is coming from someone who tried and failed to play on both Phinny and Coirnav due to their dogshit miserable exp rates.

Setting aside that leveling is ass and I've done it a bajillion times one of the major reasons I dislike crappy exp rates is that it puts even more pressure on taking the best comps in to the best zones. We already know what things are the best but the worse the exp rates are the more productive you have to be to get anywhere. I like derping about but it's a luxury I cannot afford.

Also to consider is while Agnarr, Mangler, Rizlona and Aradune may have the same exp rates the calculations for group exp got fiddled with recently.



If you needed more reason to group there you go. As long as you are grouping with even a single extra person during your time on Riz/Ara you'll be getting exp at a faster rate than the identical situation on Agnarr or Mangler. If you're out in Oasis punching caiman and there's a guy next to you punching caiman and you don't pair up with him you are just wrong.

Sterling said:

No focus effects until Luclin makes casters a lot weaker. Melee still get their AAs though because reasons.

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Yeah, it's an acceptable tradeoff though. Just like being worthless in PoS. Of course caster gear doesn't matter much for a while so it's whatever

Ambiturner said:

Headshot kinda sucks now

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What did they change with it? Are Rangers bad now (well, they still are bad until SoL)

WorryPlaysGames said:

What did they change with it? Are Rangers bad now (well, they still are bad until SoL)

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it starts as 1 ppm