Fidel Castro is dead
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ZyyzYzzy
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You are deceiving yourself. The man was a sociopath who is responsible for the deaths of countless and keeping his country repressed with sophomoric idealsBig Phoenix, Castro thinks you are deceiving yourself and are ridiculous
The Cubans who fought for our independence and at that very moment were
giving their blood and their lives believed in good faith in the joint
resolution of the Congress of the United States of April 20, 1898, which
declared that "Cuba is, and by right ought to be, free and independent."
The people of the United States were sympathetic to the Cuban struggle
for liberty. That joint declaration was a law adopted by the Congress of
the United States through which war was declared on Spain. But that
illusion was followed by a rude awakening. After two years of military
occupation of our country, the unexpected happened: at the very moment
that the people of Cuba, through their Constituent Assembly, were drafting
the Constitution of the Republic, a new law was passed by the United States
Congress, a law proposed by Senator Platt, bearing such unhappy memories
for the Cubans. That law stated that the constitution of the Cuba must
have an appendix under which the United States would be granted the right
to intervent in Cuba's political affairs and, furthermore, to lease certain
parts of Cuba for naval bases or coal supply station.
In other words, under a law passed by the legislative body of a foreign
country, Cuban's Constitution had to contain an appendix with those
provisions. Our legislators were clearly told that if they did not accept
the amendment, the occupation forces would not be withdrawn. In other
words, an agreement to grant another country the right to intervene and to
lease naval bases was imposed by force upon my country by the legislative
body of a foreign country.
[...]
Then began the new colonization of our country, the acquisition of the
best agricultural lands by United States firms, concessions of Cuban
natural resources and mines, concessions of public utilities for
exploitation purposes, commercial concessions of all types. These
concessions, when linked with the constitutional right -- constitutional by
force -- of intervention in our country, turned it from a Spanish colony
into an American colony.
Colonies do not speak. Colonies are not known until they have the
opportunity to express themselves. That is why our colony and its problems
were unknown to the rest of the world. In geography books reference was
made to a flag and a coat of arms. There was an island with another color
on the maps, but it was not an independent republic. Let us not deceive
ourselves, since by doing so we only make ourselves ridiculous. Let no one
be mistaken. There was no independent republic; there was only a colony
where orders were given by the Ambassador of the United States.
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Big Phoenix
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That exactly what I said? Guy bitches about treaties forcing Cuba to lease territory to the US then turns around and forces every cuban to give up their land at gun point.
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Lithose
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Big Phoenix, Castro thinks you are deceiving yourself and are ridiculous
The Cubans who fought for our independence and at that very moment were
giving their blood and their lives believed in good faith in the joint
resolution of the Congress of the United States of April 20, 1898, which
declared that "Cuba is, and by right ought to be, free and independent."
The people of the United States were sympathetic to the Cuban struggle
for liberty. That joint declaration was a law adopted by the Congress of
the United States through which war was declared on Spain. But that
illusion was followed by a rude awakening. After two years of military
occupation of our country, the unexpected happened: at the very moment
that the people of Cuba, through their Constituent Assembly, were drafting
the Constitution of the Republic, a new law was passed by the United States
Congress, a law proposed by Senator Platt, bearing such unhappy memories
for the Cubans. That law stated that the constitution of the Cuba must
have an appendix under which the United States would be granted the right
to intervent in Cuba's political affairs and, furthermore, to lease certain
parts of Cuba for naval bases or coal supply station.
In other words, under a law passed by the legislative body of a foreign
country, Cuban's Constitution had to contain an appendix with those
provisions. Our legislators were clearly told that if they did not accept
the amendment, the occupation forces would not be withdrawn. In other
words, an agreement to grant another country the right to intervene and to
lease naval bases was imposed by force upon my country by the legislative
body of a foreign country.
[...]
Then began the new colonization of our country, the acquisition of the
best agricultural lands by United States firms, concessions of Cuban
natural resources and mines, concessions of public utilities for
exploitation purposes, commercial concessions of all types. These
concessions, when linked with the constitutional right -- constitutional by
force -- of intervention in our country, turned it from a Spanish colony
into an American colony.
Colonies do not speak. Colonies are not known until they have the
opportunity to express themselves. That is why our colony and its problems
were unknown to the rest of the world. In geography books reference was
made to a flag and a coat of arms. There was an island with another color
on the maps, but it was not an independent republic. Let us not deceive
ourselves, since by doing so we only make ourselves ridiculous. Let no one
be mistaken. There was no independent republic; there was only a colony
where orders were given by the Ambassador of the United States.
As I pointed out to Lend (And he's obviously still buthurt I knew more about his history than him)--the actual history behind this is a lot more complex. The U.S. was on the losing end of many of these arrangements, spending far more and getting less than the Cubans. Every time we went to Cuba we were invited enthusiastically at the reluctance of many within our own congress. We defeated their actual imperial occupiers and then returned to provide them with stability and mediation through an election period--the entire time we were promised 4 naval bases, and only received one and the conditional in their constitution (For which we had to trade a sugar contract which effectively gutted our domestic industry which still needs protections to this day to keep it viable thanks to how big of a cost it created.)
We fucked ourselves over hoping Cuba would be our buddy; and they turned around with a spiked dildo and stole hundreds of millions in private investment on the whims of some ego-maniacal jerk off who was able to convince a bunch of useful idiots he was a patriot by twisting history (IE Lendarios). Ironically, it was how spectacularly being benevolent failed in Cuba which lead to Kissingers more over subversion during the cold war, especially in South America and Asia (Which as despicable as they were? Actually worked).
So, uhh, thanks Cuba for being such a little cunt that the U.S. realized it would never beat the USSR by being really nice--because there are always jerk offs out there looking to fuck you.
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Palum
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Yes but think of the devastating impact such a transition would have to Cuba's economy: Their cottage industry of repairing and reselling the same original 800 1950s cars would die overnight as modern vehicles were imported en masse, the courier business would shrivel instantaneously due to new technologies like 'the internet' and 'mail'. Men's apparel companies would die as fashions shifted away from US and USSR olive drab uniforms over the next few years. It would be a disaster.
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TrollfaceDeux
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Colony implies America is colonizing it.....Cuba was a defacto colony of the USA from 1904 to the mid 50s. Dont letLithose version of history fool you.
You can say both, you can say that Castro turned the revolution into a dictatorship and an economic collapse, and you can say the island was under the thumb of the US for the first half of the 20th century.
You don't have to love Castro to see the reasons why he rose to power.
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TrollfaceDeux
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Which shows that any sort of freedom is shit in Latin America.
Latin America should be a super power by the nature of their geography and abundant resources but they let America and Europe (even Canada) fuck them endlessly.
If you want to see the next middle East, Latin America is no further from it. They are just sustained by natural resources.n
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Abefroman
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Is anyone surprised by this? This is the same faggot who called a goat fucker driving a truck in a crowd of people suicide by cop.
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Palum
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Intrinsic
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Dammit, you're supposed to say, "Do you even know what defacto means?" or if you want to be really spicy you can say, "Bro, do you even defacto?"
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sure bro, tell me more about this outstanding citizen
Fulgencio Batista - Wikipedia
Read this
"At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities—practically all the oil industry—and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports."
Nope, not a colony, at all.
iannis
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Cuba never rose to the level of an American colony.
Technically you can say that since it was a Spanish colony, we inherited it as such. But that was never the American goal or the understanding.
That Castro created a peasant revolt against the aritstocracy (who probably deserved to have all their plantations confiscated) and used imperial overlord ship to justify it does not mean that the American Congress actually considered Cuba to be a colony. Cuba was far less than a colony. Colony implies protections and considerations which we never have had any least interest in imparting to cuba or cubans.
And Cuba will remain far less than a colony, no matter what happens in the next decade. At worst they will become an economic vassal (which is really what Castro was saying by using the word Colony, and what he really failed at stopping. He's probably made it easier to exploit them, he just staved off the inevitable for a generation). At best they will become some form of territory.
Which is what I hope for Cuba. I do happen to believe they should be free. But never so free as to threaten the mainland. We can't have that. And we won't have that.
Technically you can say that since it was a Spanish colony, we inherited it as such. But that was never the American goal or the understanding.
That Castro created a peasant revolt against the aritstocracy (who probably deserved to have all their plantations confiscated) and used imperial overlord ship to justify it does not mean that the American Congress actually considered Cuba to be a colony. Cuba was far less than a colony. Colony implies protections and considerations which we never have had any least interest in imparting to cuba or cubans.
And Cuba will remain far less than a colony, no matter what happens in the next decade. At worst they will become an economic vassal (which is really what Castro was saying by using the word Colony, and what he really failed at stopping. He's probably made it easier to exploit them, he just staved off the inevitable for a generation). At best they will become some form of territory.
Which is what I hope for Cuba. I do happen to believe they should be free. But never so free as to threaten the mainland. We can't have that. And we won't have that.
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