Ham , I don't begrudge your tinkering . You get the criticism , because of the splash they tend to make . I'm just annoyed by the sheer potential of it all .
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I'd boast about being in your head but when you keep Deshaun Watson and go 28-54 over the last 5 seasons it's nothing to brag about and I'd look for a bad guy too
Reminder that I didn't propose the trade and the guy who made it just won back to back championships, so... maybe sit this one out
Reminder that I didn't propose the trade and the guy who made it just won back to back championships, so... maybe sit this one out
Bro, your entire response screams desperation.
You didn't defend the trade, you didn't explain it you just tried to drag me down to make your bullshit look less obvious. Classic KC.
“I didn’t propose the trade” l yeah, and I’m sure it just magically landed in your inbox without a single nudge, right? You’ve got a history of being the only one who benefits from Staggs' trades. Every. Single. Time.
So go ahead show the receipts. Let’s see the texts. Let’s see the timestamp where he just randomly sent you a trade that gifts you a contender. Oh wait, you won’t because we both know there’s no way in hell that happened without you planting the seed.
You can try to bs all you want, but the truth is, you’re not a strategist, you're not a mastermind you’re just a guy who knows which puppet strings to pull when it’s time to upgrade the roster.
Keep pretending. I wasn’t even the first one to speak out. The league knows what’s up
You didn't defend the trade, you didn't explain it you just tried to drag me down to make your bullshit look less obvious. Classic KC.
“I didn’t propose the trade” l yeah, and I’m sure it just magically landed in your inbox without a single nudge, right? You’ve got a history of being the only one who benefits from Staggs' trades. Every. Single. Time.
So go ahead show the receipts. Let’s see the texts. Let’s see the timestamp where he just randomly sent you a trade that gifts you a contender. Oh wait, you won’t because we both know there’s no way in hell that happened without you planting the seed.
You can try to bs all you want, but the truth is, you’re not a strategist, you're not a mastermind you’re just a guy who knows which puppet strings to pull when it’s time to upgrade the roster.
Keep pretending. I wasn’t even the first one to speak out. The league knows what’s up
ham
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I responded to something you said about me. I have no idea why you're so worked up about this, but I'm guessing it's because I pointed out you've never been competitive in the league but even with that I didn't think that would rile you up this much. You took a jab at me and I took one back and then you raged out because I did so? You'd get smacked if you tried to talk like this in person but I'm all for the keyboard warrior shit, go for it, I don't care, I know you got the time these days, I just don't think you need to be this upset over grown men making their own decisions in a free league.
I had already said my peace on the trade before you literally changed your name to come at me. I didn't have to drag you down, you finish in the bottom half nearly every year, you can blame me if you want, but I haven't won the league in 12 years and I'm not even in your division. Where's your crashout when Mahomes (after going 15-1) was traded so someone could move 5 spots up in the *8th* round. Silence? Any other questionable trade is silence. I may do a Lawso and be like whoa that trade is insane but I'd never get on here demanding a veto or text receipts or change my name. The outrage for other moves is non existent, you're like every other loser who wants to blame someone else and have selective outrage, I really don't' give a shit though, if you want to rage quit I'm sure auto manage could get us a 28-54 run to close out the 2020s
And again.. you continue to overlook that the guy you think is so incompetent he can't make his own decisions without me whisper in his ear, has won the league twice in a row. Maybe you should take notes or be active in the trade market like everyone else who is competitive.
Nobody said the trade was random, what trade isn't talked about before it happens? I was actively shopping St Brown, Purdy and Cook to multiple teams bc I felt the gap between Bowers and everyone else was significant, he said he'd want Bowers and St Brown, I asked if we could improve the way we handled the swaps and this proposal came my way. The fact I'm still even talking about this is so dull and predictable like those 3 players wouldn't go 1-2-3 in the draft as well, and I'm guessing he thinks he can move CMC or similar for a pick in the next 3 weeks.
Anyone I sent a trade to can show you the same receipts of the value I thought I'd get. I offered St Brown to Flavio for simply a pick swap in round 3 and 5. I'll show those receipts too, not that you're entitled to any of this but you're so angry and mad that I'll happily show the process of what I thought I could get (not bc their value wasn't good but bc people overvalue picks generally) was with this offseason. Would I have accepted a lesser offer? maybe, I'll break it down even more since you seem so flustered.
St Brown and Purdy for Daniels is by all means an overpay in a league this deep. St Brown finishing top 3 WR is 100% in play, Purdy finishing Top 8 QB is as well.
Bowers, pick 19, pick 38 for pick 4 and 25 is definitely an overpay. He traded back 15 spots (after 45 players are already taken) to get Bowers, and then moved up 13 spots just two rounds later.
I think you'd be hard pressed to even argue that player for player and pick for pick that I didn't "lose" this trade, the factors that would have anyone upset is the fact I was able to move players I needed to get rid of or would lose for no value, and people (I don't blame them, as mentioned) wish all owners had stood strong on making me dump them into the pool or for way under value (which as I'll show I was already attempting to do), and that's where I get the bitterness, but not from the actual production of the guys involved. You don't like what it could do for my team, not what that the trade on its own actually means. You don't like that I still have 3 keepers and have improved my second round pick to another first in the process, because of what it *could* mean for my team going forward. Everything you're worked up about is how it *could* improve me or that it I wasn't *forced* to make bad trades to get something for those guys and I got good value.
I had already said my peace on the trade before you literally changed your name to come at me. I didn't have to drag you down, you finish in the bottom half nearly every year, you can blame me if you want, but I haven't won the league in 12 years and I'm not even in your division. Where's your crashout when Mahomes (after going 15-1) was traded so someone could move 5 spots up in the *8th* round. Silence? Any other questionable trade is silence. I may do a Lawso and be like whoa that trade is insane but I'd never get on here demanding a veto or text receipts or change my name. The outrage for other moves is non existent, you're like every other loser who wants to blame someone else and have selective outrage, I really don't' give a shit though, if you want to rage quit I'm sure auto manage could get us a 28-54 run to close out the 2020s
And again.. you continue to overlook that the guy you think is so incompetent he can't make his own decisions without me whisper in his ear, has won the league twice in a row. Maybe you should take notes or be active in the trade market like everyone else who is competitive.
Nobody said the trade was random, what trade isn't talked about before it happens? I was actively shopping St Brown, Purdy and Cook to multiple teams bc I felt the gap between Bowers and everyone else was significant, he said he'd want Bowers and St Brown, I asked if we could improve the way we handled the swaps and this proposal came my way. The fact I'm still even talking about this is so dull and predictable like those 3 players wouldn't go 1-2-3 in the draft as well, and I'm guessing he thinks he can move CMC or similar for a pick in the next 3 weeks.
Anyone I sent a trade to can show you the same receipts of the value I thought I'd get. I offered St Brown to Flavio for simply a pick swap in round 3 and 5. I'll show those receipts too, not that you're entitled to any of this but you're so angry and mad that I'll happily show the process of what I thought I could get (not bc their value wasn't good but bc people overvalue picks generally) was with this offseason. Would I have accepted a lesser offer? maybe, I'll break it down even more since you seem so flustered.
St Brown and Purdy for Daniels is by all means an overpay in a league this deep. St Brown finishing top 3 WR is 100% in play, Purdy finishing Top 8 QB is as well.
Bowers, pick 19, pick 38 for pick 4 and 25 is definitely an overpay. He traded back 15 spots (after 45 players are already taken) to get Bowers, and then moved up 13 spots just two rounds later.
I think you'd be hard pressed to even argue that player for player and pick for pick that I didn't "lose" this trade, the factors that would have anyone upset is the fact I was able to move players I needed to get rid of or would lose for no value, and people (I don't blame them, as mentioned) wish all owners had stood strong on making me dump them into the pool or for way under value (which as I'll show I was already attempting to do), and that's where I get the bitterness, but not from the actual production of the guys involved. You don't like what it could do for my team, not what that the trade on its own actually means. You don't like that I still have 3 keepers and have improved my second round pick to another first in the process, because of what it *could* mean for my team going forward. Everything you're worked up about is how it *could* improve me or that it I wasn't *forced* to make bad trades to get something for those guys and I got good value.
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DickTrickle
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Honestly, this doesn't seem like the trade hill to die on. It's pretty far from the worst trade in our league. Plus, it's happening before the season instead of doing it when people abandon their teams and stop caring.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a collective veto power but I wouldn't cast a vote to veto this one.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a collective veto power but I wouldn't cast a vote to veto this one.
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I think the only real issue I have with this one waking up this morning is that Staggy is already saying he holds no value in Purdy looking to find another option at QB instantly. This would be the second time draft picks were involved with him where he trades draft capital for players, and he may not keep the players he gave draft picks for. Then factoring the level of keepers he had, doesn't really make a lot of sense, but I have significantly different values for some players than what other people may see, to each their own.
The other head scratching piece is Staggy last year saying all he wanted was a legit young QB since he hasn't had one, refusing any trade to move out of 1.1. He not only passes on the homer in Caleb, but makes the best possible decision with Daniels, then trades him and any chance of drafting a new franchise QB. CMC is great no one denies that, but I believe this league has spoken to the value we put on him from a risk value. That as well makes no sense purely from what he said not even a year ago today.
The other head scratching piece is Staggy last year saying all he wanted was a legit young QB since he hasn't had one, refusing any trade to move out of 1.1. He not only passes on the homer in Caleb, but makes the best possible decision with Daniels, then trades him and any chance of drafting a new franchise QB. CMC is great no one denies that, but I believe this league has spoken to the value we put on him from a risk value. That as well makes no sense purely from what he said not even a year ago today.
Grown man? I don’t know any real grown man who talks about violence over fantasy football. That’s little boy shit. I must’ve really struck a nerve for you to get this riled up.
I responded to something you said about me. I didn’t go looking for drama, I just called out a pattern I’ve seen in the league and judging by the mad man manifesto, it clearly hit close to home. You took a jab, I returned the favor, and suddenly you're on here foaming at the mouth like I insulted your family.
You’re out here justifying a trade with five paragraphs like this is closing arguments in a courtroom. If it was really wasn’t that lopsided, why the long defense? I was just agreeing with the league that your track record has some head scratchers and somehow that spiraled into you wanting to throw hands? lolz
If the trade's fair, great. If people want to push back they will. That’s how a competitive league works. But let’s not pretend this is the first time people have raised eyebrows over your deals and it’s wild how vocal you get over a little push back or ribbing.
The funniest part? I made this account just to rile you up a bit and clearly it struck some truth nerve. I'm laughing my ass off.
I responded to something you said about me. I didn’t go looking for drama, I just called out a pattern I’ve seen in the league and judging by the mad man manifesto, it clearly hit close to home. You took a jab, I returned the favor, and suddenly you're on here foaming at the mouth like I insulted your family.
You’re out here justifying a trade with five paragraphs like this is closing arguments in a courtroom. If it was really wasn’t that lopsided, why the long defense? I was just agreeing with the league that your track record has some head scratchers and somehow that spiraled into you wanting to throw hands? lolz
If the trade's fair, great. If people want to push back they will. That’s how a competitive league works. But let’s not pretend this is the first time people have raised eyebrows over your deals and it’s wild how vocal you get over a little push back or ribbing.
The funniest part? I made this account just to rile you up a bit and clearly it struck some truth nerve. I'm laughing my ass off.
DickTrickle
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TheRashyman
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I agree, I expect Daniels and Bowers production to drop 10-20%. Both had elite years and we could point to LaPorta regarding Bowers potential regression. It's why I do say to each their own regarding value.
TheRashyman
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Also, does anyone know how to get ESPN trade alerts to come back through email? I guess I did something cleaning up my email this summer and I don't see when anything gets proposed or accepted any longer.
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I personally don't like trading my early picks unless it's for something absolutely fucking stupid. There's only 42 players that will be kept, so having 5+ keeper worthy players on your roster does no good if you can't offload them. Which is why I'm wondering wtf Staggs is doing unless he has a plan to regain some of those picks back in trades prior to the draft.
DickTrickle
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He got two same round picks back, they're just lower, unless my email is lying to me.
Fadaar
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Gave 1st and 2nd, received 2nd and 3rd. Don't forget 14 teams so math gets wonky. Moved up 6 slots for the 2nd rounder so I guess that's a plus?
DickTrickle
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You're right, I did remember it a bit wrong. So yeah, he did lose about one round worth for each. If he thinks he got two keepers, though, it seems worth it, but I haven't actually looked at his roster.
