Fury: Brad Pitt commands a sherman tank in WW2

Chukzombi

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apparently La Douche had some kind of freak out yesterday and got himself arrested for being a cockholster during a broadway play.

Cops: Erratic Shia LaBeouf Spit At Officer, Asked | The Smoking Gun

As an NYPD patrolman escorted Shia LaBeouf from a New York City theater--where he had just disrupted a performance of "Cabaret"--the 28-year-old actor screamed at the officer:

* "Fuck you."

* "This is fucking bullshit."

* "Do you know my life?"

The "Transformers" star then wondered:

* "Do you know who the fuck I am?"

* "Do you know who I am?"

As LaBeouf was melting down, a cluster of pedestrians outside the West 54th Street theater gawked as the star berated Officer Joseph Pecora. A theater security guard told cops that LaBeouf stood up during the middle of last night's performance of the musical and yelled loudly at the actors onstage.

According to a criminal complaint, when the troubled actor arrived at the Midtown North Precinct he spit in Pecora's direction. The cop noted that he "observed the spit land at my feet."

Charged with criminal trespass, harassment, and disorderly conduct, LaBeouf pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor counts this morning during a Criminal Court appearance. He was subsequently released on his own recognizance
 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...mes-Baron.html

James Baron, who has died aged 87, was awarded an immediate Military Medal for charging and ramming a German King Tiger tank in Normandy in 1944 while serving with Armoured Irish Guards.

On July 18 the 2nd Armoured Battalion of the Irish Guards was taking part in a powerful armoured thrust near Cagny in Operation Goodwood, which aimed to isolate Caen from the east and free the Allied forces to the west for the forthcoming breakout of Normandy.

The Irish Guards were equipped with Sherman tanks, which had proved to be a reliable fighting vehicle, but were outclassed by the German Tiger and Panther tanks. On the Western Front, the Allies had no answer to Hitler's latest weapon, the King Tiger, armed with an 88 mm gun, originally designed as an anti-aircraft gun. Intelligence reports that it was about to make its appearance in Normandy were received with considerable apprehension.

"What do we do if we meet a King Tiger?" Lance-Corporal Baron had asked his troop commander, Lieutenant John Gorman, at a briefing a few days earlier. "The only thing we can do," Gorman told his driver, "is to use naval tactics. If the 88 mm gun is pointing away from us, we shall have to use the speed of the Sherman and ram it."

On the afternoon of July 18, as Gorman came round the corner of a hedge in his Sherman, he saw four German tanks 300 yards away in the middle of a field. There was an old-fashioned Tiger, a Panther, an old Mark IV and a King Tiger - the first seen in battle on the Western Front.

The King Tiger's devastating 88 mm gun was pointing at one of Gorman's troop on the rise behind him. The Sherman's 75 mm gun was little more use than a pea-shooter against the King Tiger's armour - armour piercing shells would bounce off it. "Driver, ram!" shouted Gorman.

The Sherman crashed through a thin hedge and careered down the slope at 40 mph towards the King Tiger. With 75 yards to go before impact, the Sherman's gunner, Guardsman Scholes, fired a high-explosive shell at the King Tiger. Although it did not penetrate the armour, he felt that it would give the Germans something to worry about.

The British tank slid down beside the long barrel and struck the King Tiger hard at the rear of its right track. With the Sherman's turret only a few inches from the 88 mm weapon, Gorman's crew were like birds sitting on a sportsman's gun. On impact, both crews baled out and went in opposite directions - except one man, Guardsman Agnew, the front gunner, who, finding his exit blocked and having to scramble back to the turret, was the last out of the tank.

As Agnew dropped to the ground, he saw four men running for a ditch and promptly joined them. They were the German crew. After an exchange of cold stares, being a punctilious sort of man, he saluted smartly and disappeared into a cornfield to rejoin his comrades.

Gorman ordered Baron and the others to stay where they were; he set off on a zig-zag run through the orchards, where he found a Firefly tank. Gorman returned with the Firefly and completed the destruction of the King Tiger and the Sherman with the 17-pounder gun.

Meanwhile, the crew had been caught in an artillery barrage. When two guardsmen were wounded, Baron made a rough bed for them and stayed with his friends until they were picked up by a passing tank.

For their parts in this action, Corporal Baron received the MM and Lt Gorman the MC.
Damn crazy Irishmen...
 

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Ugh that just makes me wanna fire up the old panzer general campaign... I remember barely being able to upgrade one of my waffen ss veteran units into king tigers just in time for normandy and barely stopping D-day with them. That game was such a jew with prestige points---you basically had to play a perfect campaign all the way back from Poland onwards to even attempt to land on British soil.

I know there's an ipad clone of the classic panzer general game but I'm not sure if they cloned the rolling campaign metagame where your units gained veterancy after each scenario and how you did would unlock ahistorical events like operation Sea Lion or preventing the invasion of italy by shutting down the allies in north africa.
 

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Nah all you need is Major Victory in France and Norway and you will basically curbstomb GB in the earliest operation Sea Lion with 4 Panzer squads in the north once air superiority is established.


On the movie, wouldve been a better movie with Pitt in a Tiger panzer rampaging through allied forces for 90 minutes and getting sniped in the last scene outta nowhere private ryan style, imho.
 

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As I haven't seen the movie yet (obviously) and all we have to go on is the last few seconds of that trailer, that scene might actually be one of the few way that a Sherman (or what looks like a M4A3E8) might have a chance against a Tiger. Many of the German tanks had issues with slow traverse speeds and the Shermans, depending on what types of ammo they were issued, might actually have had to close in to point blank range to have any chance at armor penetration on the major slopes and glacis anyways (not that the Tiger had much glacis armor design, but whatevs). Their best chance might actually have been to try getting a favorable shot to side/rear armor and that might be what is seen at the end of the trailer.

I have a book written by a WW2 vet from one of my old armor battalions and the author mentions in it that they often had to do similar with M3/M5s as they would never have had a prayer in a nose-to-nose slugging match with most tanks. As a result they would have to try flanking German positions and using their maneuverability to gain favorable shots (with their woefully inadequate 37mm, mind you). Of course I don't think they ever went up against Tigers, prob more early Pnzr IIIs and IVs, but still.

The US shipped 40,000 Sherman tanks to Europe. 80% were lost.

Only 1,300 Tigers were built.
 

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The US shipped 40,000 Sherman tanks to Europe. 80% were lost.

Only 1,300 Tigers were built.
I'd imagine half the Shermans were abandoned as soon as a kraut tank was spotted to avoid instant death.
 

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Yeah I think I'd request a transfer.
 

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The US shipped 40,000 Sherman tanks to Europe. 80% were lost.

Only 1,300 Tigers were built.
You're saying that likes it's a bad thing. Guderian spoke at length how the German lack of mass production ultimately made their losses irreplaceable and the war as good as lost. But hey, you built 1 Maus prototype right?!
 

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You're saying that likes it's a bad thing. Guderian spoke at length how the German lack of mass production ultimately made their losses irreplaceable and the war as good as lost. But hey, you built 1 Maus prototype right?!
It's a bad thing when you're sitting in one of these Shermans and have to advance on a position defended by dug in Tigers and Panthers...
 

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It's a bad thing when you're sitting in one of these Shermans and have to advance on a position defended by dug in Tigers and Panthers...
You can say that all you want but it seemingly didn't really help you.
 

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yeah it really doesnt help you worth a shit if your uber badass tank can only defend a small bit of land while everyone else just drives around it and/or later just bombs the shit out of it from above. our shermans were not very thick or very reliable and the guns on them were not very powerful, but there was a motherfucking shitload of them always crawling your way, never stopping.
 

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Shermans were highly reliable, but they weren't designed to confront the kind of tank Panthers and Tigers basically inaugurated: main battle tanks. The shermans were designed to fight ww2 whereas the Tiger2 was designed for the sort of modern armored combat that everyone expected to see in the Fulda Gap during the cold war (but didn't really happen until Medina Ridge).
 

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Shermans were highly reliable, but they weren't designed to confront the kind of tank Panthers and Tigers basically inaugurated: main battle tanks. The shermans were designed to fight ww2 whereas the Tiger2 was designed for the sort of modern armored combat that everyone expected to see in the Fulda Gap during the cold war (but didn't really happen until Medina Ridge).
This is kind of misleading though. The Germans were essentially decades ahead by the late 1930's, but by the end of the war they had fallen behind and their future plans were showing a complete reversal. Compare the Entwicklung series tanks (basically, the Tiger II in bigger and smaller sizes with the similar engine/transmission/suspension components) with: M26 Pershing -> M46 Patton, T-44 -> T-54 and Centurion III -> Centurion VII. The Cent III with its 20 pd cannon and the later 105mm L7 on the Cent V would have absolutely massacred German WWII armor. Keep in mind that HEAT ammunition was basically unavailable in large quantities throughout the war for the Allies as well because they hadn't figured out a way to fuse a proper stand-off on the shape charge. By the time WWII was ending and the realization that there was a way to fire 'high' velocity HEAT ammo... it would have been a complete massacre for the Germans who had kept pushing the 'bigger/thicker is better!' approach.

The Allies had figured out solid manufacturing techniques and were advancing the MBT theory, while Germany had simply said 'oh fuck' and decided to redesign it's fantastic early-mid war designs to be easier to mass produce.
 

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Yeah, but Germany didn't feel it had the luxury of taking the time to advance MBT theory when it ran into the Russian tanks for the first time in '41, either.
 

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Yeah, but Germany didn't feel it had the luxury of taking the time to advance MBT theory when it ran into the Russian tanks for the first time in '41, either.
The German high commanddefinitelydid not understand the war of attrition early enough to make a difference but their design bureaus never really 'got it' either. Granted, most of the design concepts were solicited by Hitler's wacky idea sessions, I will give you that. But they kept making the wrong decisions. It would be an easier leap of faith to say they were too stressed if they hadn't kept misapplying resources to build heavy tanks despite making huge advancements with the Panther. They knew exactly what the M4s and T-34s were doing to them (hence the design of the Panther), yet they kept trying to fix it with more armor instead of improving the better performing and more easily manufactured tank. First by rushing the Tiger into service, the Tiger 2, the Maus, trying to up-armor the Panther into a shitty Tiger II and finally with the E-series designs that, once again, placed the wrong emphasis by basing the common components on the needs of the heavy tank production. That they 'reluctantly' kept producing the Panther because they basically had no resources to turn it into a heavy tank is pretty telling that they were just plain playing a different game. Which is odd, because they largely created the game in the first place...
 

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You can say that all you want but it seemingly didn't really help you.
How did stopping us work out for you? We wanted to rid the world of the jews and the russians. What caused you the most trouble since WW2? That's right, Israel and Moscow.
 

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The German high commanddefinitelydid not understand the war of attrition early enough to make a difference but their design bureaus never really 'got it' either. Granted, most of the design concepts were solicited by Hitler's wacky idea sessions, I will give you that. But they kept making the wrong decisions. It would be an easier leap of faith to say they were too stressed if they hadn't kept misapplying resources to build heavy tanks despite making huge advancements with the Panther. They knew exactly what the M4s and T-34s were doing to them (hence the design of the Panther), yet they kept trying to fix it with more armor instead of improving the better performing and more easily manufactured tank. First by rushing the Tiger into service, the Tiger 2, the Maus, trying to up-armor the Panther into a shitty Tiger II and finally with the E-series designs that, once again, placed the wrong emphasis by basing the common components on the needs of the heavy tank production. That they 'reluctantly' kept producing the Panther because they basically had no resources to turn it into a heavy tank is pretty telling that they were just plain playing a different game. Which is odd, because they largely created the game in the first place...
Only when the both the Russians and Allies got their hands on a Panther did the MBT theory really take off. The Russians counter to the Tiger was the IS series and while the Pershing was already being made as a natural successor to the M4 the US did start the T-90 type series. The Panzer IV upgunned and uparmored was an excellent tank, concentrating on that and the Panther would have served the Germans better. Thankfully they just fucked around with every retard design possible.