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Narrrrghhhh, Matey.

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Zindan

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It is Sony's fault though. Sure people shouldn't have trusted in this shit but well 99% of my PC games are on Steam, if tomorrow Gaben dies in an orgy accident and John Equity takes over Valve and just say half my games are now not mine anymore, I'm kinda fucked. Still wouldn't be my fault for "owning" my games on Steam, it'd be Equity McScrooge's fault for being a greedy fuck. In this case, Sony presumably didn't want to pay for the higher contract amount to renew licenses on these movies, so instead they decided to tell their users to go fuck themselves, because why would Sony lose money when they can just not by fucking over customers. Still entirely their fault though, if they had wanted they could have spent money for this not to happen.
Disagree. If Sony found the price to renew the license to be to expensive, so be it. Expecting or demanding that Sony pay whatever the cost might be to renew is dumb, unless you also think Sony would have the right to demand another payment from their users to play those movies again?
 

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Disagree. If Sony found the price to renew the license to be to expensive, so be it. Expecting or demanding that Sony pay whatever the cost might be to renew is dumb, unless you also think Sony would have the right to demand another payment from their users to play those movies again?
I'd expect Sony to not sell something they cannot guarantee to have available later on and if they do I'd expect them to negotiate in a way that makes it so they only have to remove it from the shop without removing access to paying customers, but here we are and after that yes I do expect them to pay more for the license that they themselves decided to sell in the first place, or otherwise to reimburse people, if we lived in a world where corporations didn't dictate the laws. But as I pointed out for Steam, I basically don't have a choice(well other than another store that is even more likely to do that shit earlier) and so for now I'm just banking on Gaben finding a magical underwater city with his cool yacht and getting gifted a mermaid's liver so he lives eternally. But realistically I accept that in the future I'll lose all my games because some suits want to make more money. Doesn't make me happy about it or cool with the fact it happens to other stuff.
 

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Narrrrghhhh, Matey.

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I felt like this for a few years in my early-mid twenties, I think. Proud to pirate media.

At this point I’m glad I don’t still feel that way. If it’s worth watching, why not pay for it? If it’s not worth paying for, why waste time watching it? I really don’t think it’s something to be proud of, especially if we’re people who see the obvious decline in quality of media. Shouldn’t we want to legitimately support the media we deem worthwhile?

Especially when nowadays “paying for it” is often as simple as a small monthly sub to one of several streaming services, getting you access to a zillion media titles.
 
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Disagree. If Sony found the price to renew the license to be to expensive, so be it. Expecting or demanding that Sony pay whatever the cost might be to renew is dumb, unless you also think Sony would have the right to demand another payment from their users to play those movies again?

I'd agree if it was happening on other platforms as well, would be an indicator of something unreasonable upstream with licensing - but absent that I put it all on the platform holder offering a lesser experience.
 

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I have honestly never read the fine print on games you buy from the PS Store. I’ve bought mostly old games, but I did buy Hogwarts Legacy, the new Batman Lego games for the kids, and the remaster of Ghost of Tsushima at full price when released. I wonder if 3rd party games could evaporate? I don’t think they do on Steam. Just new purchases.
 
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Caeden

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I felt like this for a few years in my early-mid twenties, I think. Proud to pirate media.

At this point I’m glad I don’t still feel that way. If it’s worth watching, why not pay for it? If it’s not worth paying for, why waste time watching it? I really don’t think it’s something to be proud of, especially if we’re people who see the obvious decline in quality of media. Shouldn’t we want to legitimately support the media we deem worthwhile?

Especially when nowadays “paying for it” is often as simple as a small monthly sub to one of several streaming services, getting you access to a zillion media titles.
Yep. I struggle with this mindset. I keep hearing here to vote with your dollar but all I ever hear is piracy. All for downloading a version of something you already own. I despise this buying shit 2 and 3 times.
 

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I felt like this for a few years in my early-mid twenties, I think. Proud to pirate media.

At this point I’m glad I don’t still feel that way. If it’s worth watching, why not pay for it? If it’s not worth paying for, why waste time watching it? I really don’t think it’s something to be proud of, especially if we’re people who see the obvious decline in quality of media. Shouldn’t we want to legitimately support the media we deem worthwhile?

Especially when nowadays “paying for it” is often as simple as a small monthly sub to one of several streaming services, getting you access to a zillion media titles.
I am completely on board with what you're saying and do support the stuff I like with actual dollars. I do own "some" movies. Most of which are old as fuck, and some I've bought twice to update them to a media format easier to use. VHS > Blue ray for example. I am not buying any movie that is digital, and as Pyros is pointing out - if I had a choice, I wouldnt buy my games on Steam, GOG, Epic, etc. either. Because, as we're discussing - and maybe you're missing peoples point - you dont own that fucking shit. Never mind the ownership rights of games. Denuvo fucking over people and games needing to be online always when its a fucking single player game are genuine reasons to pirate there, too.

I own things like The Expanse series, Babylon series, etc. on Blue ray. But I can go through a fucking laundry list of movies that Ive seen for almost a full decade and not a single one of them would I purchase a hard copy of. So the white knighting "pay for content you like" is still alive and well. But when 99% of the shit that comes out is fucking slop - you're not better than anyone pirating just because you pay for shit like Sinners or whatever fucking god awful movie thats came out.

Of all the things to be proud about, you're mad at people pirating when the very fucking conversation we're having is about a vendor nuking everyones fucking library. Fucking brain dead take.