God of War: Ragnarok

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As bad as this stuff has gotten lately let's just remember that they have not ruined this franchise with dumb shit over something like 6 games now even though their starting premise was the main character being a black skinned Spartan born of Zeus and Callisto.

I cannot bring myself to care about the look of some obscure Norse giant that I had never heard of before today despite being a fan of Norse mythology in general.

As annoying as the hypocrisy of seeing European myths/cultural figures be changed, while supposedly it is a profound heresy to do that to other cultures, I still have hope.

Mainly because the whole father/son dynamic in the first game was really refreshing in an age where strong, competent, stoic father figures are extremely rare in popular culture and when they are there, are often presented as abusive or bad for the kids. Kratos's relationship as a strong, stern but loving father being GOOD for his son is pretty against the modern narrative--which is nice.

Hopefully they don't fuck that up.
 
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As bad as this stuff has gotten lately let's just remember that they have not ruined this franchise with dumb shit over something like 6 games now even though their starting premise was the main character being a black skinned Spartan born of Zeus and Callisto.

I cannot bring myself to care about the look of some obscure Norse giant that I had never heard of before today despite being a fan of Norse mythology in general.

Unless they retconned it, he was never black
 
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where's the mob when they find out kratos is voiced by a black actor playing a white-ish character. SHOCKING. ban GoW for being insensitive.
 
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where's the mob when they find out kratos is voiced by a black actor playing a white-ish character. SHOCKING. ban GoW for being insensitive.
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where's the mob when they find out kratos is voiced by a black actor playing a white-ish character. SHOCKING. ban GoW for being insensitive.

he's an alien, its ok. he also had a gou'ld in him so that technically makes him trans-species
 
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where's the mob when they find out kratos is voiced by a black actor playing a white-ish character. SHOCKING. ban GoW for being insensitive.
That might be a point of Kratos talked and sounded like a brother trying to pick up a hoodrat at the club.
 
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us accepting double standards about our own culture representation is demoralizing, because we're made to believe race swapping is the epitome of disrespect for cultural works and then made to politely accept when its done to our cultural works. Whether you realize it or not, that promotes the idea that your culture is less important than others, less worthy of respect (And you can see this throughout the west, with many young people believing the west literally has no culture). Stop believing your culture isn't worth even a forum post, while others are worth entire media campaigns. It is. The West's cultural heritage is rich and deserves equal respect.
 

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On the one hand, having a Norse mythological figure be black is weird. On the other hand, having said black character be cast as the Mother of Monsters doesn't quite fit with the narrative you'd expect from this sort of thing, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
 

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I'm just wondering if the people bitching here about Angrboda being brown were also frothing at the mouth with rage when they learned Heimdall would be played by Idris Elba.

Other than that, this looks like a great game based on this trailer.
 
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Jesus fucking christ you people are exhausting. Literally any character in a video game isn't white and it's a fucking countdown waiting for Phoenix to come bitch about it, regardless of if he's even heard of or cares about the time.

Just a matter of him finding a few minutes in between jerking it to fucking overwatch porn and ragging on e-girls.
Yeah also considering how carefully crafted the story and lore is to make Loki make sense these guys are killing it and I imagine will continue to do so.
 
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Somewhere else they said it is a dual PS4 and PS5 release. That explains the graphics and probably puts the release date within 12 months. Hopefully?

Yeah, PS4/PS5 dual-releases aren't going to look that great. They're more like PS4.5 visually. The difference between PS5 exclusives like Demon's Souls and cross-platform releases is HUGE.

The same thing happened with PS3/PS4. For the first year or two of PS4 everything was dual-release and nothing looked particularly great until they started to actually expand into the realm of things developed FOR PS4 without being held back by PS3.
 
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I really don't care about a character being black at all. I'm more concerned if they'll answer the question I've had since the first PS2 game. Is Kratos circumcized?
 

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On the one hand, having a Norse mythological figure be black is weird. On the other hand, having said black character be cast as the Mother of Monsters doesn't quite fit with the narrative you'd expect from this sort of thing, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

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I really don't care about a character being black at all. I'm more concerned if they'll answer the question I've had since the first PS2 game. Is Kratos circumcized?
Hopefully we get a QTE that allows use to see whether or not he has a circumfrensized dick.
 

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Maybe this new black chick is going to help the game transition from a Norse based story to Wakanda.
 

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Lets say we were playing a game about an African or Hindu or Chinese civilization, and one of the gods of their pantheon, who was historically depicted as having qualities of the faith's ethnic background, was turned into a white guy. How long do you think before all of games media was enraged?

Yeah, not long. Don't be mad because some people have a sense of fairness in the application of this new morality. Be angry at the hypocrites who don't and have made a crusade of 'ending white washing', while also cheering the reverse. The thing that annoys me the most is that this is even a thing--I absolutely don't give a shit if some made up figure is black, but I do care about social rules that are unfairly and arbitrarily applied which are clearly meant to demoralize us culturally.

And I don't mean having black figures demoralizes us--I mean us accepting double standards about our own culture representation is demoralizing, because we're made to believe race swapping is the epitome of disrespect for cultural works and then made to politely accept when its done to our cultural works. Whether you realize it or not, that promotes the idea that your culture is less important than others, less worthy of respect (And you can see this throughout the west, with many young people believing the west literally has no culture). Stop believing your culture isn't worth even a forum post, while others are worth entire media campaigns. It is. The West's cultural heritage is rich and deserves equal respect.

Wait until you actually learn about old norse mythology and learn that in old norse the word for black and blue, blár, was often used in poems to describe dark blue/black colors both when it came to night skies as well as describing Hel. Hel is a Jötunn and on more than one occasion referred to as half black, half "flesh colored", which you could take as she was half a corpse or you could take it literally. Aside from that, nowhere in the eddas is it mentioned the color of any of the Jötunn so as far as I'm concerned they are remaining faithful.

but also

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Wait until you actually learn about old norse mythology and learn that in old norse the word for black and blue, blár, was often used in poems to describe dark blue/black colors both when it came to night skies as well as describing Hel. Hel is a Jötunn and on more than one occasion referred to as half black, half "flesh colored", which you could take as she was half a corpse or you could take it literally. Aside from that, nowhere in the eddas is it mentioned the color of any of the Jötunn so as far as I'm concerned they are remaining faithful.

but also

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Yeah, that's a lot of labored stretching to try and make a modern concept of "black people" fit in with Niflheim and the concept of death/darkness. Anyone who read Hel as "half black" is a fucking idiot, and doesn't know how these words work.

As for your meme; again, the new morality has specific rules. It isn't about the mythology being changed, its about, specifically, different color characters being used. White washing, using a "white person" to replace a different ethnicity, is what makes the diversity tools angry--changing the actual story, lore or other things doesn't. So its not an argument about the purity of the cultural work; Its an argument about the application of "anti-colonial" standards. Once more, if we took some aspect of a foreign mythos and changed most things--none of the diversity cult would be angry (Because its not a precept of their cult). We put a white person in there? The media would rage.

Holding that popular morality to account is what this is about--which is why GoW being a complete perversion of the myth is fine, but subbing out one ethnicity for another is not. If these rules seem fucking absurd to you...Good, they are. And I should see you complaining about their enforcement in most cultural "appropriation" tirades.

All I want is the media the typical diversity crown held to their own rules--or I want the rules to be tossed. Trying to make fun of how absurd the fucking rules are...Is the point.
 
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Lithose

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where's the mob when they find out kratos is voiced by a black actor playing a white-ish character. SHOCKING. ban GoW for being insensitive.

Where were you poking fun when Jeremy Irons wasn't allowed to play scar because he was white and a bunch of talking lions all had to be black because Lions come from Africa?

Or poking fun at a bunch of white voice actors being dropped from their gigs because they were white and voicing other ethnic groups.

Oh, you only saw this time when some people on a forum were complaining--not those huge campaigns which were also discussed throughout this forum. Weird.
 
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It's not stretching at all, it's completely up to interpretation based off the actual source material that has existed for hundreds of years.

but bro what the fuck are you talking about, white people play other races parts in movies literally constantly and make ginormous box office money and win awards for their roles. You need to take a step back and look at the real world just like all the SJWs need to do the same.

Saying something enough times doesn't mean it's true. Twitter is not the real world.
 
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