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GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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quick recap:
Araysar: Hope GRRM left some way for the living to win this war vs the walkers, hope they don't have to rely on some Deus Ex Machina
Sylas: did you forget about the dragons?
Araysar: Yes I did.
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Truth be told I put Bronn there because the dude is a baller and deserves to be standing at the end. GoT is infinitely better whenever Bronn is getting screen time.
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According to Sylas, Dani doesn't even need a single soldier since it would just take 1 of her "invincible" dragons to conquer the entire planet.
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not quite.
All it takes to defeat the Night King's forces is a single dragon, yes. She is actually at a disadvantage for every living troop she sends in to battle since ultimately they only add to the number of ice zombies her dragons will have to kill. It requires no special tactics or strategy. The dragons require no input or riders, this actually hinders the dragons.
Dragons working off of raw instinct fly really high, really fast and melt anything on the ground beneath them. They face a massive land based army with no ranged attacks. In addition tThe army they face are instantly destroyed by fire. These aren't World War Z or Walking dead zombies, you don't even need the fire to consume and eventually destroy the bodies. The ice magic that fuels and animates them is destroyed by contact with any source of flame whatsoever, they instantly become corpses again even if they aren't on fire. The walkers are basically made of pure ice and melt/explode on contact with dragon fire or any item imbued with dragon fire or fire magic (dragon glass, valyrian steel, etc).
The dragons alone cannot lose. only blunder on the part of man or trying to make the dragons act against their natural instinct can tip the balance out of the dragons favor.
The story so far of Dany has been one of her building up massive forces in order to conquer westeros so that she can defeat the great other and his minions with the first gift she was ever given, the dragons. The drama of the story has been about the intra-house politics and human infighting, but the tension from the story has always been can dany get there in time and not fuck it up. There really isn't any tension on who will win, it's literally no contest army of ice zombies/ice faerie creatures vs giant fire breathing dragons (The Walkers are actually closer to fae creatures in the books as described by GRRM, not so much zombie-ish things from the tv show). She was given the IWIN button from the get go, can she not fuck it up and end up losing the dragons fighting people before the great war starts and they are needed?
Now if she commits to some idiotic plan like armoring the dragons and forcing them to walk, and face the army of the dead on foot? different story.
The reality is, the easiest way to win the war for the dawn if dany does commit to some blunder, and potentially I can see this coming to pass in the books, is for someone to just kill Dany. The dragons will break free in a fit of murderous rage and just killdoze everything.
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But what about the ice dragon the inter-webs said was in the mist background of a single frame
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most readers are hoping that the night king has some kind of Deus Ex Machina enabling him to challenge the dragons and not just instantly lose, the dragon in the mist autism is part of that. The rumor for this season was dany fucks up somehow and loses one, (potentially in the naval battle with Euron, idk I didn't put much stock in that rumor) and the Night King ends up finding it, raising it and uses it as his steed. It's not like the motherfucker can put on a superman cape and start flying otherwise.
The history and lore repeatedly mentions giant ice spiders that the walkers ride in to combat. maybe those show up and one is a like a mexican jumping spider and can leap thousands of feet in the air, idk. Most people are hoping for some kind of Deus Ex Machina so that the final battle isn't so anticlimatic. Just hope whatever the night king pulls out his ass isn't too lulzy. Hate to get to the end and just jump the shark.
Everyone that is, except Araysar. Araysar and the retards parroting him think that the dragons we've known about for 5 books and 6 seasons are somehow Deus Ex Machina and whatever the Night King pulls out his ass, some ability or magic item completely unsupported and unheard of at any time in the 5k years of westeros history and lore which is known is somehow, not Deus Ex Machina.
The history and lore repeatedly mentions giant ice spiders that the walkers ride in to combat. maybe those show up and one is a like a mexican jumping spider and can leap thousands of feet in the air, idk. Most people are hoping for some kind of Deus Ex Machina so that the final battle isn't so anticlimatic. Just hope whatever the night king pulls out his ass isn't too lulzy. Hate to get to the end and just jump the shark.
Everyone that is, except Araysar. Araysar and the retards parroting him think that the dragons we've known about for 5 books and 6 seasons are somehow Deus Ex Machina and whatever the Night King pulls out his ass, some ability or magic item completely unsupported and unheard of at any time in the 5k years of westeros history and lore which is known is somehow, not Deus Ex Machina.
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The dragons are not the DEM, moron. I said that Dany and her forces will need something more than 3 dragons, to defeat a never ending zerg of undead.
Of course you cant read for shit so you went into full sperg mode.
Of course you cant read for shit so you went into full sperg mode.
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Not only is there no evidence that the undead are incapable of using ranged weapons, but yhe Night King having some sort of anti-dragon abilities is not a deus ex machina.
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The dragons are not the DEM, moron. I said that Dany and her forces will need something more than 3 dragons, to defeat a never ending zerg of undead.
Of course you cant read for shit so you went into full sperg mode.
Of course you cant read for shit so you went into full sperg mode.
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You know if you had just admitted that you used the wrong term, didn't know what DEM meant, this never would of been an issue, right? Instead of a simple "my bad" you doubled down for 2 days, even falling back to the refuge of LOTR, that epic tome of non stop DEM from cover to cover, using examples of DEM from those stories as example of Not DEM that GOT should try and emulate. that is what sparked the circle jerk about gandalf vs balrog vs valar vs maier vs whatever the fuck.
You are the one who thought the dragons were DEM. Of course they aren't, glad you finally figured it out. You were the one who spent 2 days arguing that they were, while you argued "insert random ability from the heavens" that the Night King could use to counter them "totally isn't DEM"
And Ambiturner, way to be irrelevant. While we've never seen the mindless undead hordes using ranged weapons (yet we've seen plenty of evidence that they are in fact mindless and use bare claws/teeth/hands/whatever they happen to be holding as weapons), even if they could A: they wouldn't have the range necessary to hit dragons and B: they would be completely ineffective against them anyway. The dragons are large enough now and their scales are hard enough that any projectiles would deflect off their scales anyway (this is book knowledge, apologies if you are a show only guy and didn't pick up on this. The show has shown this but it was subtle, not sure if they've mentioned it in detail during the dialogue)
About the only ranged weapons that can project anything high enough to reach the dragons while they are on a strafing run would be Trebuchets, and we saw how effective those are against dragons last season. Not that the Night King's army could even use those.
The Night King having an anti-dragon weapon is the literal definition of Deus Ex Machina. It's fine if he does, hope he does actually. But he's never seen a dragon before, probably doesn't even know they exist. It would be like a lion in the savannah evolving a natural occurring aura that kills sharks. The last time Team Ice ran up against men they lost to Earth Magic from the children, obsidian arrow heads and 1 dude who just so happened to have had a valyrian steel sword. this time around, Ice auto loses to team Fire, unless team fire fucks up.
You are the one who thought the dragons were DEM. Of course they aren't, glad you finally figured it out. You were the one who spent 2 days arguing that they were, while you argued "insert random ability from the heavens" that the Night King could use to counter them "totally isn't DEM"
And Ambiturner, way to be irrelevant. While we've never seen the mindless undead hordes using ranged weapons (yet we've seen plenty of evidence that they are in fact mindless and use bare claws/teeth/hands/whatever they happen to be holding as weapons), even if they could A: they wouldn't have the range necessary to hit dragons and B: they would be completely ineffective against them anyway. The dragons are large enough now and their scales are hard enough that any projectiles would deflect off their scales anyway (this is book knowledge, apologies if you are a show only guy and didn't pick up on this. The show has shown this but it was subtle, not sure if they've mentioned it in detail during the dialogue)
About the only ranged weapons that can project anything high enough to reach the dragons while they are on a strafing run would be Trebuchets, and we saw how effective those are against dragons last season. Not that the Night King's army could even use those.
The Night King having an anti-dragon weapon is the literal definition of Deus Ex Machina. It's fine if he does, hope he does actually. But he's never seen a dragon before, probably doesn't even know they exist. It would be like a lion in the savannah evolving a natural occurring aura that kills sharks. The last time Team Ice ran up against men they lost to Earth Magic from the children, obsidian arrow heads and 1 dude who just so happened to have had a valyrian steel sword. this time around, Ice auto loses to team Fire, unless team fire fucks up.
Loser Araysar
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oh i understand the term just fine.
you know how i know you're a sperging autist?
because you're pedantic, repetitive, dull and stupid, even as an adult.
here, let me show you why.
heres a simple strategy to counteract the 3 dragons. break up your force of wights into a large number of small groups and attack across the entire front repeatedly and non stop instead of just one large formation for a single battle. there arent enough dragons, valyrian or dragon glass weapons to be able to have counter weapons everywhere against wights, white walkers or the NK. attack at all times: day, night, morning, evening, nonstop until the enemy is finally worn down into submission. reanimate everyone who dies.
boom, your entire retarded dragon uber alles myth dispelled.
you know how i know you're a sperging autist?
because you're pedantic, repetitive, dull and stupid, even as an adult.
here, let me show you why.
heres a simple strategy to counteract the 3 dragons. break up your force of wights into a large number of small groups and attack across the entire front repeatedly and non stop instead of just one large formation for a single battle. there arent enough dragons, valyrian or dragon glass weapons to be able to have counter weapons everywhere against wights, white walkers or the NK. attack at all times: day, night, morning, evening, nonstop until the enemy is finally worn down into submission. reanimate everyone who dies.
boom, your entire retarded dragon uber alles myth dispelled.
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There are more necromongers than there are dragons. If it is possible for each necromonger to exist independently from each other then all the dragons can do is maintain a zone around themselves.
If the necromongers are forced to move as a unit for some reason (it's the king necromonger who brings the winter, it's the other ones that control the armies) then that won't work. But you're looking at a world war Z situation if they can operate on independent fronts.
The Wall is a great way to present a single front. And there are multiple forts along that wall. So maybe that's an indication that they don't HAVE to move as a pack. They just choose to for the time being. Or else it's just an indication that the wall was never there to prevent necromongers, it was there to prevent dirty wildlings from invading.
Maybe that's explained in the books. In the show it's still ambiguous.
If the necromongers are forced to move as a unit for some reason (it's the king necromonger who brings the winter, it's the other ones that control the armies) then that won't work. But you're looking at a world war Z situation if they can operate on independent fronts.
The Wall is a great way to present a single front. And there are multiple forts along that wall. So maybe that's an indication that they don't HAVE to move as a pack. They just choose to for the time being. Or else it's just an indication that the wall was never there to prevent necromongers, it was there to prevent dirty wildlings from invading.
Maybe that's explained in the books. In the show it's still ambiguous.
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Sylas, can you give your theories on Star wars episode eight in that thread? Your transformation is almost complete.
Also, I'm calling it now, ice spiders can totally shoot webs to bind the dragons.
Also, I'm calling it now, ice spiders can totally shoot webs to bind the dragons.
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