GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

The whole fucking thing is Catelyn's fault, like everything from page one of book one.

Although Tuco...it was the Lannister (or at least, Jaime) who tried to kill Bran at first, so capturing a Lannister wasn't completely without merit, she just had the wrong man, because Littlefinger manipulated her into believing he sent the assassin to finish the job. Whether she fucked up with Jaime in the long run is sort of still unresolved, as her 2 daughters are still both alive. Letting him go definitely helped destabilize Robb's army, but wouldn't the Frays/Boltons still have betrayed them for him being an idiot and breaking his oath?

does walder frey have a retarded son on the show? i know catelyn takes him hostage in the book but i don't recall seeing him on television.

Merrith_sl said:

Although Tuco...it was the Lannister (or at least, Jaime) who tried to kill Bran at first, so capturing a Lannister wasn't completely without merit, she just had the wrong man, because Littlefinger manipulated her into believing he sent the assassin to finish the job. Whether she fucked up with Jaime in the long run is sort of still unresolved, as her 2 daughters are still both alive. Letting him go definitely helped destabilize Robb's army, but wouldn't the Frays/Boltons still have betrayed them for him being an idiot and breaking his oath?

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Uh, if the Starks still had Jaime prisoner, Tywin wouldn't have have been willing to risk his heir being killed, which means the Freys and Boltons would have had nothing to gain by stabbing Robb in the back.

Besides the myriad of other reasons the phrase "the purple wedding" is gay, it also takes longer to say than Joff's wedding. The purpose of giving it a name should be for brevity's sake, not to be cutesy, silly queers.

Ender4212_sl said:

I didn't see if this was mentioned yet, but wouldn't Jon Snow know his brothers were nearby after seeing the wolves? In the first episode they talk about how rare it is to see dire wolves south of the wall, so I have to believe something clicked there. Of course he had to get the hell out in a hurry, but wondering if he may head back to search for them.

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the wolves seem to come and go as they please. ghost abandoned jon earlier in the season i believe.

Gavinrad_sl said:

Uh, if the Starks still had Jaime prisoner, Tywin wouldn't have have been willing to risk his heir being killed, which means the Freys and Boltons would have had nothing to gain by stabbing Robb in the back.

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That is a good point, although from the books, I got the impression having something to gain wasn't the only reason for the Freys and the Boltons betraying the Starks. Walder was incensed at the slight to his family when Robb broke his oath, and Roose...well, Bolton gonna Bolton it felt like. Now if they would not have acted unless they had Lannister backing, then your point makes perfect sense, and thinking about it, I could see that being an issue, as Walder would know his family would be forever shunned/hated otherwise for breaking the hospitality rule.

The whole mess is Dany's fault. She cried too much as a baby, driving Good King Aerys mad, which led to Robert's Rebellion, which led to all of this.

Flinger_sl said:

The purpose of giving it a name should be for brevity's sake, not to be cutesy, silly queers.

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You think that the Red Wedding is that much shorter than Robb's Wedding? To me the benefit of calling it the Purple Wedding is that it doesn't really spoil much. People were chanting "can't wait for the red wedding" this season and it still didn't give too much away. Though it was still retarded when the people were doing it.

Tuco_sl said:

Are you arguing that Catelyn didn't make completely stupid decisions, or are you arguing that she and Rob would've totally failed and been brutally murdered even if she was completely passive?


Also I remember her talking Ned into going to King's Landing which was a monumentally stupid decision. Even Bobby B should've seen that coming. Ned Stark is the worst hand of the king ever. 10 minutes after Robert Baratheon tosses Ned the keys, Ned drives the car off the cliff just to try to land on Tywin's house.

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I'm arguing she did make some stupid decisions, but she was clearly manipulated into some of them by Littlefinger (with an assist from her own sister as well). If we're going back to Ned, somehow I don't think he says no to Bobby B asking him no matter what...too much honor. Going back even further, even that decision arises due to the manipulations of LF (again with with the assist to Lysa) creating the vacancy.

Honestly I just think the Starks were doomed from the start, based on Ned's honor, and the manipulations that pushed them into every corner until they were fucked. A little bad luck along the way didn't help either (Bronn winning the fight, Jaime and Brienne not making it to KL). Who knows if either of those would have significantly changed things, but I don't think Catelyn's decisions alone were their doom, stupid as they were, because they were expertly pushed into many of them.

Tuco_sl said:

I forgot to post this earlier: You guys arguing about whether Catelyn or Robb screwed up more seem to be missing the point that they both screwed up horribly.

Catelyn:
Captured Tyrion unjustly and without merit, causing Tywin to start a war.
Let Tyrion go by bringing him to her idiot sister.
Released Jamie to the wild, which not only made Robb's bannermen start to rebel but also lost the only card Robb had.

Robb:
Married Talisa instead of Walder Frey's daughter. If you're the king you can have so many bitches along with your wife.
Didn't press the strategic advantage he had by attacking high value targets but instead fucked around in the north with all his troops.
Killed Karstark.

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Robb:
Married a girl he loved after his fucking retarded mother sold his hand in marriage to appease a fucking bannerman of her father's house.
Not sure what you mean.
Killed Karstark which was necessary after he slaughtered children because he was so mad that Robb's retarded mother freed the world's best hostage.

Tuco_sl said:

Oh and I could probably blame Catelyn for Peyter Baelish's scheming in some way.

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Hmm..if you go that far back, yes, it is all her fault.

The purpose of calling it the "Purple Wedding" is because it makes the other fags in your local daisy chain gaykakke orgy cum harder by virtue of it being gayer than Richard Simmons riding a pink unicorn on Fire Island.

Tuco_sl said:

Yeah I don't know what else they need Joeffrey to do to make Tenks hate him.

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He's trolling. You could send him a picture of Joffrey assraping Tenk's Dad, and he'd still say he's OK.