GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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spronk_sl said:
Yeah the only real good parts of this new season are Arya and the Hound, everyone else is kinda meh. That was a nice reveal by Tywin though, makes him a bigger badass for getting so much shit under control with 0 new gold earned. They are really foreshadowing the Iron Bank shit hard though, I wonder if we'll see a lot of new non book material involving the Iron Bank next season.

Its way too early to tell but I have a feeling that the pinnacle of the TV series will be The Red Wedding, after that it'll be viewed as somewhat a lesser show without Robb, Joffrey, Tywin, etc. Was really sad not to see Coldhands kill the guy running away at the end. I still believe they are gonna bring in Coldhands, after all, why bother with the whole mystery of "where did Benjen Stark go" in season 1.
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Every time they start with the caw cawing of all the crows I'm like "oh cool, finally they are going to reveal cold hands", but nope. This time it was just Ghost.

Also, Cold Hands is most certainly NOT benjen Stark so not sure how that is related.
 
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eh, he'll just kill her when it's all said and done.

Though this really shows just how smart Littlefinger is and how good he is at playing the long game.
 
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Considering how much he likes to make people fly, seems like a good setup for someone to eventually punt him out the moon door.
 
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been a minute since i read bran's parts, so i'm sure someone who analyzes it will come correct me, but here's my theory on Cold hands:

He's just a wight. There's nothing special about him at all. He's not some famous or even named person. random dead ranger #43. he himself has non consciousness. He's been a wight for a long, long time.

Brynden River's warg's into a wight to guide and escort bran to him.

He has the greensight so he knows that bran is headed north, and he needs someone (specifically, a brother of the nights watch) to go through the magic gateway, grab bran & co, and bring them through the wall, so he sends his consciousness into a wight, finds Sam and brings him to the gate because he knows Bran is on the other side of it.

Once he has bran and co and escorting him to the cave, they run into the wights and have that fight. He knows that the cave itself has a magical barrier to prevent undead from entering, so all he needs to do is get them into the cave, where the children can get them and bring them safely down into the cave itself. At that point the wights finish off coldhands because he himself can't pass through the barrier.

The alternative is that cold hands is somehow special, he and brynden are bro's somehow, and cold hands knowingly sacrifices himself while doing brynden's bidding. Brynden is in constant telepathic communication with cold hands somehow, and feeds him all the information he needs to complete his mission. I don't buy this because other than the "telepathic link with a wight" thing, I don't get what cold hands has been doing since he died (at the hands of wights/others, a long, long time ago according to the children, ie the reason he's not benjen who only died <2 years prior)

Since he fights the other wights, then something about him means they can see/detect him and know to attack him. which begs the question how has cold hands "survived" for so long as a good guy wight who would be attacked on sight by others, wights, NW, and wildlings since he is a walking corpse all by his lonesome.
 
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here . . . but I've got a feeling how it's all going to end.

King Hodor the great.

All of Westeros will unite under his rule, adopting the language of Hodor ( yeah that's where everything and everyone is referred to as Hodor )

I'll bet my Tuconets on it.
 
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Sylas_sl said:
Since he fights the other wights, then something about him means they can see/detect him and know to attack him. which begs the question how has cold hands "survived" for so long as a good guy wight who would be attacked on sight by others, wights, NW, and wildlings since he is a walking corpse all by his lonesome.
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If Brynden can warg in to a wight like your first guess Cold Hands could just be like a title they give to whatever wight he's controlling to set it apart? Could have used hundreds of them by now. I dunno, that's just random theorycrafting.
 
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Grimmlokk_sl said:
If Brynden can warg in to a wight like your first guess Cold Hands could just be like a title they give to whatever wight he's controlling to set it apart? Could have used hundreds of them by now. I dunno, that's just random theorycrafting.
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yep. but it's not like he's had a reason to warg into a hundred different wights. But when the need arises sure, "cold hands" is just whatever walking corpse he possesses that's nearest to his objective.
 
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Sylas_sl said:
been a minute since i read bran's parts, so i'm sure someone who analyzes it will come correct me, but here's my theory on Cold hands:

He's just a wight. There's nothing special about him at all. He's not some famous or even named person. random dead ranger #43. he himself has non consciousness. He's been a wight for a long, long time.

Brynden River's warg's into a wight to guide and escort bran to him.

He has the greensight so he knows that bran is headed north, and he needs someone (specifically, a brother of the nights watch) to go through the magic gateway, grab bran & co, and bring them through the wall, so he sends his consciousness into a wight, finds Sam and brings him to the gate because he knows Bran is on the other side of it.

Once he has bran and co and escorting him to the cave, they run into the wights and have that fight. He knows that the cave itself has a magical barrier to prevent undead from entering, so all he needs to do is get them into the cave, where the children can get them and bring them safely down into the cave itself. At that point the wights finish off coldhands because he himself can't pass through the barrier.

The alternative is that cold hands is somehow special, he and brynden are bro's somehow, and cold hands knowingly sacrifices himself while doing brynden's bidding. Brynden is in constant telepathic communication with cold hands somehow, and feeds him all the information he needs to complete his mission. I don't buy this because other than the "telepathic link with a wight" thing, I don't get what cold hands has been doing since he died (at the hands of wights/others, a long, long time ago according to the children, ie the reason he's not benjen who only died <2 years prior)

Since he fights the other wights, then something about him means they can see/detect him and know to attack him. which begs the question how has cold hands "survived" for so long as a good guy wight who would be attacked on sight by others, wights, NW, and wildlings since he is a walking corpse all by his lonesome.
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Perhaps Coldhands was with the rest of them - sleeping, imprisoned, whatever they were doing for all those years when nothing was happening with the walkers. The books hint several times that they were woken or disturbed by Mance Rayder and the wildlings, who went digging where they shouldn't have while looking for the Horn of Winter to bring down the Wall. I can't remember the exact passages, but I know it gets mentioned a few times; whether it is true or not, who knows, Martin loves his unreliable narrator, but it certainly explains why they hadn't done anything at all for hundreds of years.
 
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except they only went digging for the horn as a means to escape the other's who had already arisen. The only way Mance was even able to assemble the wildlings under his banner was because of the threat of the Others.

The first scene with a white walker and wights is the GoT Prologue. The timeline is a little hazy, but they were stirring before Mance went digging for the horn. We know that Mance was in Winterfell masquerading as a bard when the Bobby B and co came to winterfell to ask Ned to be hand of the king, which happened weeks/months after the guy who escaped in the prologue was captured and beheaded by Ned.

PS my personal theory on the horn of Winter is that it's in Samwell Tarly's possession, when Ghost discovered it and the dragonglass at the fist of the first men. Dunno could be a red herring, but it seems grrm went to some effort to nonchalantly introduce the horn and then casually remind us several novels later that the horn is still in play, which points to the significance of the horn.
 
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It has been a while since I read but I seem to remember the book going out of its way to describe him as different from the wights. idk, anything is possible in regards to that, we have so little information that Coldhands could be any number of things.
 
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spronk_sl said:
Yeah the only real good parts of this new season are Arya and the Hound, everyone else is kinda meh. That was a nice reveal by Tywin though, makes him a bigger badass for getting so much shit under control with 0 new gold earned. They are really foreshadowing the Iron Bank shit hard though, I wonder if we'll see a lot of new non book material involving the Iron Bank next season.

Its way too early to tell but I have a feeling that the pinnacle of the TV series will be The Red Wedding, after that it'll be viewed as somewhat a lesser show without Robb, Joffrey, Tywin, etc. Was really sad not to see Coldhands kill the guy running away at the end. I still believe they are gonna bring in Coldhands, after all, why bother with the whole mystery of "where did Benjen Stark go" in season 1.
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What mystery? The quick half line about him not coming back? That was used to justify Mormonts ranging.

Give it up, benjen is gone
 
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This thread about bitching about things that are on the show and not in the books. Take your Coldhands theorycrafting to the book thread!

I didn't find this episode to be much of a "filler" episode. I thought a lot happened. I really think the actress who plays Lysa does it perfectly. Shame she'll be dead soon.
 
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