GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Royal_sl said:

So, does Ser Davos bail on Stannis now or does he carry a pouch of Shireen's ashes around his neck and keep on keepin' on?

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My Prediction:

Somehow Jon winds up riding with Davos back to Stannis camp. Davos loses his shit, kills Stannis, Jon dies in ensuing battle. Melisandre rezzes Jon instead of Stannis, Jon freed of Nights Watch, takes Stannis army and takes back Winterfell. But not before Sansa escapes back into Littlefingers clutches.

I see no way Davos stay's Stannis' hand of the king. When he finds out I would assume he will try to kill Mel but this is the TV show we are talking about, he may just give Stannis a high five

Lleauaric_sl said:

My Prediction:

Somehow Jon winds up riding with Davos back to Stannis camp. Davos loses his shit, kills Stannis, Jon dies in ensuing battle. Melisandre rezzes Jon instead of Stannis, Jon freed of Nights Watch, takes Stannis army and takes back Winterfell.

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Great TV but that would be justice and there is very little in martins writing.

Duskoy_sl said:

I see no way Davos stay's Stannis' hand of the king. When he finds out I would assume he will try to kill Mel but this is the TV show we are talking about, he may just give Stannis a high five

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If he uses his band hand it's more like a high 3, he's got the thumb and 4 half fingers

Hatorade_sl said:

Great TV but that would be justice and there is very little in martins writing.

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It has to happen eventually. Gives him a season to get his forces together in the North, try to rally the Southern kingdoms, and get ready for Bran and Daneryes to all meet up.

I've gots a real question here.

So if they had spears to chuck at the dragon... why did they not use those spears 2 minutes earlier to chuck at the queen... who they were trying to kill?

Harpies r dum? They took all this time to orchestrate a grand conspiracy and forgot that they can throw things?

I mean it's just getting more and more convenient, is all.

#TeamIceNecrom

I hope Winter comes and I hope the shubs win.

Uber Uberest_sl said:

Still can't believe Stannis burned his daughter after all that "you're my daughter and you deserves better than dieing of stoneskin" bullshit.

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That scene was necessary to add weight to what happened last night.

If when Melisandre first approached Stannis and said "Hey, let's sacrifice your daughter" and Stannis turned around and said "LOL, why didn't you say so earlier???" then he's a soulless monster. Not a single viewer of the show would want him to win. Fuck, most people would be rooting for the Boltons at that point.

But the situation at that time didn't call for desperation. Stannis still had a fighting chance when Melisandre first approached him.

Buuuuuut the entire first 10 minutes of this episode were used to build up just how wildly hopeless Stannis' position was. He was already fucked to begin with, between the weather, the desertion, and the dwindling supplies, and then Ramsay's infiltration just made things 100x worse by destroying of Stannis' food and siege weapons.

Ultimately his choice became either sacrifice his daughter or abandon everything.

He's still a soulless monster, but at least he was shown to be conflicted by the situation. Some would call his decision Machiavellian, some would call it unforgivably cruel, but when the choice is either to have one person die, or have everyone die, he made the decision that may ultimately save the most lives.

You would think that *someone* would have trained the Unsullied to drop those goddamn spears and pull out swords when not in formation, especially after the debacle earlier. Good grief.

I don't think Davos makes it back to Stannis' army; I think this is where he will get sidetracked into what he ends up doing in the books, looking for Rickon. He definitely knew what was going to happen though; Davos knew Shireen was going into the fire when Stannis told him to head back to Castle Black - he was trying to get Stannis to let him take Shireen with him. Stannis essentially saved him from having to watch, but Davos let it happen; I think Stannis knew that he would never be able to burn Shireen without losing Davos in some way or having Davos talk him out of it, so he gave Davos an out; Davos saw the out for what it was and took it anyway.

*and Iannis, they probably took the spears from the dead Unsullied, heh. Plenty of them lying around!

Is there any reason to think we'll actually see Rickon again in the show, beyond some sort of reveal as to where he is hiding?

thought that "soandso the biggest of the all" and they had gotten smaller over time.

I guess. But no one happens to notice? She's got her small council, which included Ser BestEverCouldKillEveryone1v20... and no one happens to notice? This conversation takes place off camera?

It's not really that they're asking too much of the viewer in these spots. It's that they're asking the viewer to do their work for them.

1-2 lines in the "The Unsullied are using whores to sing them lullabyes" human interest story. That's all it would have taken. I mean sure, it's fantasy. Anything makes sense I guess. This season has been about the least coherent. Which is really odd, because I really did enjoy the first 4 eps, and the one previous to this one.

Mist_sl said:

It makes plenty of sense for the unsullied to suck. Their strength in battle came from the fact that they didn't view themselves as human beings and were fearless instruments of war. They've have no great military leader to teach them how to be soldiers since.

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Well they had Barristan for a long time; you would think, being a man of war, at some point he would have been checking on the Unsullied and participating in their routine training.

I think of them like Spartans (and not 300-style superman Spartans). In formation they are unstoppable, but their strength is in the formation and their ability to hold it against all odds, and not individual prowess. So when the formation is broken or nonexistent and they have to fight alone, they run around like idiots and are nothing more than Sons of the Harpy dagger dummies.

It did look like a few of them were trying to form up in a protective circle around Dany and company at the end of the fight though.

I was a little confused that there were so many harpies and only a few unsullied protecting dany. It seemed to me like they could have easily overrun the crew and killed them all. Instead, you get an 80's style fighting pit where one dude would run in and immediately die, then another, then some random dude would throw a knife that missed everyone and die.

Faltigoth_sl said:

You would think that *someone* would have trained the Unsullied to drop those goddamn spears and pull out swords when not in formation, especially after the debacle earlier. Good grief.

I don't think Davos makes it back to Stannis' army; I think this is where he will get sidetracked into what he ends up doing in the books, looking for Rickon. He definitely knew what was going to happen though; Davos knew Shireen was going into the fire when Stannis told him to head back to Castle Black - he was trying to get Stannis to let him take Shireen with him. Stannis essentially saved him from having to watch, but Davos let it happen; I think Stannis knew that he would never be able to burn Shireen without losing Davos in some way or having Davos talk him out of it, so he gave Davos an out; Davos saw the out for what it was and took it anyway.

*and Iannis, they probably took the spears from the dead Unsullied, heh. Plenty of them lying around!

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I disagree with your point on Davos. I saw it as Davos knowing they are in a real shitty situation and that with him leaving for the Wall in this bizzard on the eve of war means he may not see her again. Could be he never makes it to the wall, he fails at his mission and Stannis/Shireen starve to death, Bolton's men slaughter them etc. No way in hell does Davos leave her there knowing she is about to be burned to a crisp. He put his life on the line and basically told Stannis to go F himself so he could save a child he did not even know (Edric Storm) because it was the right thing to do