GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Chysamere_sl said:

Maybe the point of all this is that the faceless men /aren't/ just crazy men willing to kill anyone. The waif is all too willing to kill for the sake of killing, where a faceless man needs to be more discerning. Perhaps Arya refusing to kill the innocent woman was actually her passing a test, rather than failing it.

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Absolutely not, that would be way too subtle for these writers. The waif has obviously taken a personal dislike to Arya, which seems like a violation of one of the cult tenets. If you're nobody, you can't take a personal dislike to someone. So either Jaqen kills the waif and lets Arya go, or the waif does the 'im gonna drag this out instead of killing you when I have the chance' trope, Arya kills her, Jaqen decides that the many faced god has been paid and lets Arya go. Either way, I don't think there is any way she leaves Braavos without seeing Jaqen one last time.

Intrinsic_sl said:

I had that thought too and he was setting the waif up to be killed. I'll be fine with it but it seems that'd be way convoluted and convenient from an author stand point.

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I'd say more that he's noticed her personal dislike for Arya and is testing her, not setting her up.

You guys keep digging for subtlety with a show written by writers who don't have any.

Chysamere_sl said:

Maybe the point of all this is that the faceless men /aren't/ just crazy men willing to kill anyone. The waif is all too willing to kill for the sake of killing, where a faceless man needs to be more discerning. Perhaps Arya refusing to kill the innocent woman was actually her passing a test, rather than failing it.

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I thought about that. They posture like they are the protectors of the little guy, then send her out on mission to kill some rando chick because of a jealously beef. Hardly liberating the slaves from the vile masters anymore.

When Arya saved him at Harrenhal, he didn't say 'pick 3 bad guys for me to kill', he asked for 3 names. If she'd said Gendry and Hot Pie, they'd be dead.

I am subscribing to the idea that Arya was actually being tested and that the Waif is ultimately the one who will die, finishing Arya's training. A man recognizes a girl's gifts, and a man will not squander them. The waif proves she has failed her training by saying things like, "Youpromisedme."

Lenas_sl said:

I am subscribing to the idea that Arya was actually being tested and that the Waif is ultimately the one who will die, finishing Arya's training. A man recognizes a girl's gifts, and a man will not squander them. The waif proves she has failed her training by saying things like, "Youpromisedme."

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Yeah, things like that seem obvious, but the entire nature of the group killing people for money while claiming to represent freedom from slavery is a bit much. Seems like it could go either way.

chaos_sl said:

I thought about that. They posture like they are the protectors of the little guy, then send her out on mission to kill some rando chick because of a jealously beef. Hardly liberating the slaves from the vile masters anymore.

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When do they act that way?

That's their entire backstory. The whole time when she showed up and Jaqen taught her about the gift etc.

I really hope that all of westeros falls to the white walkers, and the survivors use euron's 1000 ships to escape across the narrow see to essos. The survivors meet up with dany, group up and go take westeros back from the walkers. the end

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:

You guys keep digging for subtlety with a show written by writers who don't have any.

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Doesn't Martin have more of a say in the writing now that they are past the books?

Arya becomes faceless. Daenerys goes crazy as her army dies in the winter climate. She somehow gets in a fight with Jon as a contender for the throne. Arya kills her to save Jon. Jon having the blood of Dragons takes control of the dragons and is confirmed as Azor Ahai. With his dragons, wildling army and other supporters that gather under the banner of Azor Ahai he wins the war.

Sounds too much of a happy ending though, so probably not.

Also something I didn't really see discussed here, and this is more pertinent to the previous episode, was the public opinion of what happened with Joff/Ned/purple wedding and all that. Its entertaining to see the public opinion was Ned was below-average intelligence and a power hungry usurper. It also seemed to paint Joff and Cersei in a very positive light and, of course, Tyrion was the assassin behind the poisoning of Joff. I don't think anything about it was too surprising to me outside of the romantic view of Joff and Cersei. I just assumed everyone hated them both.

if someone could take a video of uncle B, and overlay it with John Cena theme, I would be forever grateful.

Droigan_sl said:

Doesn't Martin have more of a say in the writing now that they are past the books?

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Don't know why you would even think that, especially considering the fact that this season is the only one GRRM didn't write an episode for himself. He is involved less and less as it goes on, not more.

Tenks_sl said:

Also something I didn't really see discussed here, and this is more pertinent to the previous episode, was the public opinion of what happened with Joff/Ned/purple wedding and all that. Its entertaining to see the public opinion was Ned was below-average intelligence and a power hungry usurper. It also seemed to paint Joff and Cersei in a very positive light and, of course, Tyrion was the assassin behind the poisoning of Joff. I don't think anything about it was too surprising to me outside of the romantic view of Joff and Cersei. I just assumed everyone hated them both.

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Keep in mind that's the public opinion over in Essos and not necessarily in Westeros.

So question about Benjen it seems he is actually a whitewalker now but he is of a different line then those controlled by the NK?

Siddar_sl said:

So question about Benjen it seems he is actually a whitewalker now but he is of a different line then those controlled by the NK?

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More specifically, the Children stopped him from becoming a wight. He is in a weird limbo. Whether or not he can be hurt by regular weapons like swords now is unknown.

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:

You guys keep digging for subtlety with a show written by writers who don't have any.

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This is so true. Reading the forums here and other websites is more entertaining then the show now that it is past the books.
Most people are trying way to hard to figure things out. A few obvious things happening next 4 episodes. Hound comes back, it should be the trial by combat. Arya leaves Bravos, but does she defeat the waif or is she saved by a twist, possibly involving Syrio? Cersei is tricked again, does her defeat lead to Tommen's death this season or next? The Battle of Winterfell, although i am starting to think it might start this season and end next season.
And lastly, Lady Stoneheart makes an appearance. If anyone thinks this is NOT happening they are thinking too hard. It will probably be the last scene of the last episode.
This whole season has been about redemption for the Starks. It fits right into the current storyline. In fact if you take it further i believe the Starks winning is a direct parallel to the Lannisters losing.