GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Tuco_sl said:

I don't really think the culture of the show is honor > all. Only a few characters have followed that, and the show has consistently shat on them for it

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Iannis_sl said:

It makes sense to me no matter who knows what. The Mad King was mad sure, and he needed to be done did, but it was not Jaime's place to dun do him.

So that's why he gets such shit over doing something that everyone wanted done. Something that they were actively fighting a war to DO. Everyone is just afraid for their own necks. If they are tolerant of what Jaime did it is a crack in the social order. The only surprising thing is that he was not immediately executed, no matter who his daddy is. That part feels more contrived than any of the scorn and hate he gets for the act itself. After seeing his cold blooded daddy in action you'd almost think that it would be the Tywin himself who ordered the execution.

Even if not, and Tywin wanted to save his son to continue the dominance of his clan, you would think that there would have been a much stronger campaign of propaganda at least among the aristocracy to clear Jaime. As it is it was like, "No... we can't kill Jaime cause that'll piss his daddy off and his daddy has his army parked right outside the gates." In this culture/context... it doesn't seem like temporary blackmail would be effective for that long term of a goal. There are a hundred ways to kill Jaime privately (and without trace) after his life has been spared publicly. The assassin gets assassinated. We've seen THAT in the show just plenty.

It's a pivot for a very large part of the plot... and it really doesn't hold up under scrutiny if you stop to consider motivations. At least in the show. I'm sure there's like 200 pages devoted to it in the books... explaining how it is not inconsistent.

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Sylas_sl said:

He still needs an Agent to deliver the amethyst's to the tyrell's for the wedding, and he still needs someone to bring sansa out of the red keep during the aftermath. So yeah, it was obvious they were trying to cut down on characters and dropped dontos in favor of having LF do it himself, but again, the story is coherent, he can't magically show back up in KL and do it, they may as well use Dontos. Sure, it basically ruins the surprise later when you learn that LF is basically behindeverything, but the TV show's story is still consistent with itself.

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Faltigoth_sl said:

I have found myself mostly approving of the changes between the show and the books. Like this past week, the introduction of the Red Viper - that scene with him in the whorehouse, and stiffing Tyrion when the main Dornish contingent arrives, tells you a shitload about who he is. In a few short minutes, you learn he is a hot-headed badass who is into bisexual orgies and dealing pain to Lannisters, and doesn't give a shit about what anyone in King's Landings thinks. Immediately, you get the basic essence of Oberyn in a TV-friendly format rather than watching him and Tyrion ride horses and have a long-winded chat (which works in the books because you already have heard a few times about Oberyn from various characters, so you kind of know what to expect).

I also love the serious disconnect between what GRRM thought (his interview a few weeks back where he was talking about doing prequel shows and dragging all kinds of shit out to give him time to write) and the reality at HBO (7, maybe 7.5 seasons). It was like HBO said, 'settle down fat man, this shit is rolling on with or without you so stop fucking around and start writing'. I've always personally felt that GRRM doesn't really give a shit about ASoIaF, that he was surprised by the way it took off, and that he would rather be writing science fiction. He created a monster that he can no longer really control and that has him trapped into focusing on shit he doesn't really want to be doing.

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Iannis_sl said:

Don't cry too many buttery tears for him. He did take the money, after all.

You'd have to be a whole lot of paranoid to think that Dontos was up to something besides being a fat, sloppy, suicidal drunk in just watching the show.

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Cybsled_sl said:

Ya, the show will roll on until whatever conclusion they decide, books caught up or no. As long as ratings stay high + contact negotiations/actors leaving aren't a worry, they'll keep the show going as long as prudent.

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Heylel_sl said:

I totally forgot Littlefinger was the source of the poison. It's been too long since I read the books.

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Sylas_sl said:

That was rast the sweetling or however you spell his name, in Winds, not polliver. polliver dies in the inn and arya gets needle back, it just happens much later on in the book than it did on the show.

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Noodleface_sl said:

Crone read the books! Get out of this thread! You'll get shit spoiled like Aegon Targaryen wasn't actually killed and is still alive! oops

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Kreugen_sl said:

but somewhat spoiled on the tv show because he's already flat out stated how he operates and from the start he's worn a giant sign around his neck that screams "I CAUSED ALL OF THIS SHIT AND LOOK HOW MUCH I PROFIT FROM IT, HA HA FUCKERS"

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Lejina_sl said:

Something the show didn't highlight is what kind of badass Dorne is. Everyone bent the knee to the Targs; all but Dorne. They guerrilla warfare'd the fuck out of the Targs until they said no more. They tried again several generations later and won, only to get kicked out with a rebellion and then later finally said let's marry instead. I realize it's still early in the Dorne introduction in the show, but I hope some character actually take the 2min it takes to spell out that going to war with the goat fuckers is bad for your life expectancy.

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