Gun control

khalid_sl said:

How many times can we say that is flat out false before you listen or at least drop this silly argument?

1) It effects people because they might have to travel through NY.
2) It effects you if you might possibly move to NY. For example the current AWB means I won't be able to take a teaching position in NY.
3) It effects you if you have friends in NY. I can no longer bring my guns with me if I visit friends in NY.
4) The more state laws that pass something, puts pressure on the national level to do the same thing. These laws become the "norm" and states without it are seen as abnormal. Marijuana laws and other issues show this happening (in that case, for the good).

Again, NO ONE thinks that the NY law is going to have NY cops going into MO and taking guns. You keep throwing out that silly strawman.

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chaos_sl said:

I don't agree with your last point. In some case sure that is true, but in all cases I doubt that could be shown.

But these points are true of ALL laws, in ALL states. Anything from abortion to voter rights to whatever. The off chance that it may somehow impact you shouldn't preclude the state from governing itself. If NY wants this dumbass law, then let NY have its dumbass law.

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Soysauceonrice_sl said:

Lets settle this, pumpkin. I never said that you can't have an opinion on whether or not the laws passed by NY or CO is stupid or not. I agree with you, I think those laws are pretty dumb.

Here's the thing, though. I get the impression that you aren't satisfied with simply stating your opinion that what happens in NY or CO or any other state is stupid. No, you want us to think that what happens in these states is just the beginning of a large trend that will affect others, maybe me, maybe you, maybe everyone. This is where I have an interest in calling you out on your bullshit. Now, some have said that I am putting words in your mouth, that I am stawmaning you. But hey, you're a big boy (presumably) and you should be able to defend yourself, right ? So it's pretty simple.

Just say: I Aychamo_Aycono do not think what happens in New York or Colorado will have any effect on me, and I do not feel that my right to bear arms, whether it be a handgun or an AW, is threatened by STATE laws in any other state.

If you tell me that you were never suggesting that your rights were being threatened by whatever happens in another state, then I will gladly apologize to you for strawmaning you. You clearly care about this enough to go and troll me in another thread, so let's settle this.

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chaos_sl said:

I think everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion about a state's legislation. But it also kind of rubs me wrong when people outside of the state get involved in that state's internal legislation. Like the Utah mormon involvement in California's gay marriage debate. That's bullshit.

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Soysauceonrice_sl said:

But as far as i know you don't live in CO or NY. So answer my question: Why is it your business what happens in NY or CO ? Why does what happens in someone else's house any business of yours ? At the next election, the citizens who disprove of these laws will have a chance to vote out the gun nuts. But if by the next election cycle the same anti-gun nuts remain in power, would you accept that as an implicit approval of the voters for the gun restrictions ?

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Tuco_sl said:

I'd like to officially distance myself from the episode Aychamo is having toward Soy's insistence on where you live denying you the right to complain.

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"This bill is taking advantage of a tragedy that's out there to demonize law-abiding citizens who are exercising their Second Amendment rights, and using it as a way to generate $4 million to $5 million in increased taxes on these people," said Rep. Brian DelGrosso, R-Loveland

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But House Minority Leader Mark Waller, R-Colorado Springs, said it was "absolutely inconsistent" for Democrats to have added an amendment to the bill in an attempt to keep Erie -based gun-magazine manufacturer Magpul from leaving the state.
The amendment says manufacturers could still make high-capacity magazines for out-of-state sale.
"Apparently, they (high-capacity magazines) are not instruments of destruction when they're purchased outside the borders of Colorado," Waller said.

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