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Jim Russel
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The correct answer here is that fruit juice is probably just as bad as soda.
More people over-consume soda than fruit juice but the potential is certainly there.
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When I was a child we weren't allowed any soda in the house, but we did have access to unlimited fruit juice because at the time it was generally considered harmless. For years I would consume probably a gallon of apple juice a day and had horrible stomach pains that the docs wrote off as "stress/anxiety" over parental divorce. It was only once I got older (around 12 years old or so) when I started drinking less juice that the stomach problems finally went away. I'm convinced this childhood situation contributed to my current day diverticulitis diagnosis. A gallon a day of citric acid/fructose couldn't have done good things to my stomach.
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Drinking just one eight-ounce glass of orange juice will wallop your system with 25 grams of fructose, which is more than you should have the entire day. Of course, many people, especially kids and teenagers, drink far more sugary fruit drinks in a day than that, and that's just what the beverage companies are banking on.
Fructose at 15 grams a day is harmless (unless you suffer from high uric acid levels). However, at nearly 10 times that amount it becomes a major cause of obesity and nearly all chronic degenerative diseases.
Was this like 1 gallon of Tropicana or SunnyD or the purple stuff way back then?
either way, 1 gallon is a shit ton of, everything
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Drinking just one eight-ounce glass of orange juice will wallop your system with 25 grams of fructose, which is more than you should have the entire day. Of course, many people, especially kids and teenagers, drink far more sugary fruit drinks in a day than that, and that's just what the beverage companies are banking on.
Fructose at 15 grams a day is harmless (unless you suffer from high uric acid levels). However, at nearly 10 times that amount it becomes a major cause of obesity and nearly all chronic degenerative diseases.
Was this like 1 gallon of Tropicana or SunnyD or the purple stuff way back then?
either way, 1 gallon is a shit ton of, everything
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lol? 10g of fructose is the tipping point?
Also, 25g of sugar per day is extremely draconian. Might as well give up eating hook yourself up to an IV and feeding tube.
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It was Oasis brand apple juice, so not sugar water but not fresh squeezed either.
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Still draconian, just not as much. That's two peaches, they don't have much fiber. I'm sure I could find many other example of low fiber fruit that would easily break your limit.
And you ignored my other point. I think you're just making up shit if 15g is harmless and 25g is going to kill you.
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To be fair he said 150g would kill you, and that no one should have more than 25g a day. He didn't provide a source or clear reason why 25g was the max allowed.]
As far as we know right now 25-150g is a death zone.
As far as we know right now 25-150g is a death zone.
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I'm not saying you are, but Deathwing is anal retentive about figures and documents.
If you could prepare a white paper on this by the morning we'd all feel much better. Maybe a powerpoint presentation.
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Shrug, people get too caught up with dumb shit and lose focus.
You can eat a healthy variety of proteins/fats with 80 percent of your caloric allotment. For my activity level, height, and weight, my caloric allotment to maintain my body weight is 2700 calories. Follow the 80/20 rule -- 20 percent of 2.7k is 540. The question is, can I fulfill my protein/fat/micronutrient requirements in 2160 calories? Yes.
If I want to eat pure cane sugar for my discretionary calories then I can and I'll be fine (I'd want to brush my teeth immediately afterwards since that's like a buzzsaw for your teeth). That'd be 3/4th of a cup of sugar, or, roughly 540 calories.
The problem Americans are running into is that MOST of them don't have 540 discretionary calories, they have substantially less... and one 20oz bottle of Mountain Dew is 290 calories. Most people don't "allow" themselves a 20 oz mountain dew knowing that its their one freedom for the day... they're guzzling down MORE than 20 oz of soda AND eating desert or other shit foods with no value. So instead of getting 80 percent good food, 20 percent "who cares"... its skewed way off balance and lacks all moderation.
This is why people are fat and weak and dying young.
EDIT:
35yr 5'10 175lb sedentary man has 420 discretionary calories.
35yr 5'6 145lb sedentary woman has 320 discretionary calories.
Go ahead and work soda into that budget and tell me if you don't see a problem.
You can eat a healthy variety of proteins/fats with 80 percent of your caloric allotment. For my activity level, height, and weight, my caloric allotment to maintain my body weight is 2700 calories. Follow the 80/20 rule -- 20 percent of 2.7k is 540. The question is, can I fulfill my protein/fat/micronutrient requirements in 2160 calories? Yes.
If I want to eat pure cane sugar for my discretionary calories then I can and I'll be fine (I'd want to brush my teeth immediately afterwards since that's like a buzzsaw for your teeth). That'd be 3/4th of a cup of sugar, or, roughly 540 calories.
The problem Americans are running into is that MOST of them don't have 540 discretionary calories, they have substantially less... and one 20oz bottle of Mountain Dew is 290 calories. Most people don't "allow" themselves a 20 oz mountain dew knowing that its their one freedom for the day... they're guzzling down MORE than 20 oz of soda AND eating desert or other shit foods with no value. So instead of getting 80 percent good food, 20 percent "who cares"... its skewed way off balance and lacks all moderation.
This is why people are fat and weak and dying young.
EDIT:
35yr 5'10 175lb sedentary man has 420 discretionary calories.
35yr 5'6 145lb sedentary woman has 320 discretionary calories.
Go ahead and work soda into that budget and tell me if you don't see a problem.
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Glad to hear, but be careful with that shit. Friend of mine picked up a bit of a habit with that stuff while traveling in Asia.
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Yeah, this is wrong. 500 calories of pure sugar all at once isn't healthy even if that's the only carbs you consume in a day.
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Also carbs aren't inherently unhealthy-it's not really necessary to limit carbs to only 20% of caloric intake. You can and should eat lots of carbs after exercise. In a post-exercise state carbs promote recovery without having negative effects such as spiking blood sugar.