Homeland

Well, next week is going to be good. Peter Quinn in an embassy vs. 20+ jihadis. It's like John Wicke with more napkin holders.

joeboo_sl said:

So I don't understand the point of what the terrorists are trying to do at the end of the episode.

They didn't kill Saul and Carrie in the RPG attack(and easily could have, why didn't they?)

And now they are storming the embassy, but why? I would think their primary targets they want dead would be the highest ranking CIA people possible, 1 of which is outside in a wrecked SUV, not in the embassy. Are they trying to kill the ambassador? What are they going after, exactly? If they just wanted everyone dead, they would have filled that underground tunnel with explosives rather than storming it with ak-47s

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They HAVE to leave Carrie/Saul alive for them to deploy the marines. If they're all dead they wouldn't do that. They need them to be alive as assets the marines are there to protect.

They're about to take the embassy and kill/kidnap the ambassador and the CURRENT head of the CIA. Not to mention all the intelligence they can steal/drones they can down, etc etc. I'm sure they have a plan to blow the whole thing up when they're done too. They want it to be a show. To demonstrate their power, etc.

Right. Current CIA head and the US Ambassador are the real prizes. Carrie and Saul, while not chump change, pale compared to that. Beyond being amazing intelligence pieces, they are massive bargaining chips and a huge blow to the US.

So I kinda dropped out of this season after ep3. Sounds like its worth coming back to finish? S3 was a big letdown and didn't think this season started off that strong.

Finally watched it. Wow, amazing episode. I am so frustrated with being unable to tell how they are going to deal with the ISI.

Finally caught up with this. Definitely agree with these past couple of episodes being great. They are definitely gunning for the current CIA director, even the ISI chick asks about him at the beginning of the prisoner exchange. Too bad there is no new episode till next week.

Didn't like the CIA director pussing out and handing over the documents. No chance that happens in real life. He isn't opening that door and putting a room full of 20 people at risk + the contacts in that folder for the sake of a handful of people out in the hallway. No way.

It looks like they're setting Quin up to go all Rambo on the terrorists though. They better not kill him off, I'll be pissed as hell, he's the best character on the show.

joeboo_sl said:

Didn't like the CIA director pussing out and handing over the documents. No chance that happens in real life. He isn't opening that door and putting a room full of 20 people at risk + the contacts in that folder for the sake of a handful of people out in the hallway. No way.

It looks like they're setting Quin up to go all Rambo on the terrorists though. They better not kill him off, I'll be pissed as hell, he's the best character on the show.

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They better not kill my boy Quin and his mustache

A+ will watch again.

MORE QUINN! He's a baaaaad man.

I thought the Ambassador's husband was going to strangle her with his belt and then maybe himself after. Maybe that was his plan and because she tossed it to him he couldn't do it. Probably not though. He's just a bitch.

Lockheart was warming up to me, but he majorly pussed out. Why wouldn't he throw some bullshit docs in there or something first? That would've been the pro play if he's going to go against ALL PROTOCOL. Can't wait until the end of the season when General McHandsome takes the older Paki General and Ms. Devious to a site with a big hole in the ground. Then fills that hole with them.

Xevy_sl said:

I thought the Ambassador's husband was going to strangle her with his belt and then maybe himself after. Maybe that was his plan and because she tossed it to him he couldn't do it. Probably not though. He's just a bitch.

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I hope we get to see what happens with the husband. The ISI/Taliban has to know he gave up their plan since people were able to get to the vault. The CIA can't turn him into a double-agent like they did with Brody, not to mention they no longer need him since the embassy is being abandoned. He's colossally fucked, but I can't see him not trying to weasel out of this somehow.

joeboo_sl said:

Didn't like the CIA director pussing out and handing over the documents. No chance that happens in real life. He isn't opening that door and putting a room full of 20 people at risk + the contacts in that folder for the sake of a handful of people out in the hallway. No way.

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On the one hand, him pussing out really didn't surprise me. He's never really been shown to be as professional or together as Estes or Saul. On the other, he's been shown to be the consummate politician, someone whose career advancement is put before all else. There's no way a CIA director would get out of this unscathed. He gave up information the likely took years to compile, while arguably putting national security at risk and making far,farless likely for Pakistanis or Afghanis to become informants in the future. If a CIA director did that in reality, he'd have his ass raked over the coals by the opposing party and have calls for his resignation. Perhaps it was just a split second decision in the heat of the moment, but I can't see Lockhart not doing the math in his head.

Though the thing that did annoy me about that scene was he didn't really care about anyone being killed until it was someone from the primary cast. Two background actors get shot in the head? Barely a reaction. Farrah gets threatened? Give them the suitcase and put dozens of other people at risk!

I feel Lockhart dropping the ball was pretty good. All the main characters are career intelligence agents, career soldiers or career diplomats, people used to making tough choices with a cold head and maintain a bird eye view of situations all the while being under great pressure. Lockhart is a career politician so he really is unprepared for this kind of situations. I thought it work even better as a contrast with his attitude and rhetoric before the events.

I may have missed his death, but where's caddyshack John at? I don't remember him dying. Did he die in the SUV convoy with Carrie and Saul or is he somewhere else?

Yeah, that was pretty much the very beginning of the episode.

Carrie's shouting "JOHN!" but you can't hear when you're dead.