Wasn't that the guy who loved FFIII?that doesn't explain Sean.
No. It's the manager's job to ensure the job his group is assigned gets done. Part of being a supervisor/manager is the hiring and firing process. It'd be nice if everyone you hire shows up ready to work and didn't lie about their skills but that's not the case.Isn't it the managers job to make the best of what he's got?
It's difficult to agree with that when I, and likely most people, have first hand experience of what happens when a weak or incapacitated manager keeps dead weight in the group. Not only does the dead weight drain the resources but people see him get cut slack constantly and lose their motivation.That's a western, neo-liberal view of how people and companies should organize themselves. It's the classical 'everyone has to pick up the bum's dead weight' mode of thought. But this constant intra-competition doesn't serve you, your manager, or society better in the long run because it's not healthy.
Except you'll always have "dead weight". As the cliche goes, you're only as good as your weakest link.It's difficult to agree with that when I, and likely most people, have first hand experience of what happens when a weak or incapacitated manager keeps dead weight in the group. Not only does the dead weight drain the resources but people see him get cut slack constantly and lose their motivation.
In the long run, festering dead weight can cause the failure of the entire group. This isn't even about the working man vs the bourgeois. This is just at the small scale of 3-6 peers working together to accomplish something.
Having worked in many projects where no one was dead weight I completely disagree with this. Yes, there will always be a weakest link, sometimes there's a couple mediocre guys and a couple talented guys and that's ok.Except you'll always have "dead weight". As the cliche goes, you're only as good as your weakest link.
Is there ever an instance in your mind that you think it'd be okay to fire someone who comes to work on time every day, says all the right things but slacks off every time he can and when he's forced to work he does a shitty job?In this case, a good manager would look for avenues to make this person productive. If he's slow, give him time and slow work. If he's lazy, try to encourage. The company has a responsibility to do this. Why you ask? Because collectively we allow that company to exist, and through that allowance are born responsibilities to every person they employ, regardless of whether they're a superstar or they totally suck.
Like I said, I relegated him to fucking labor duty (even though he was getting paid like an ironworker), and I still see him zone out. He was old, but to fucking space out (which now makes sense given his artistic background) for 10 minutes while everyone around him is moving/building/installing was not only lazy but also dangerous. I think I wouldn't have blown over if I was allowed to pay him less due to his inferior skills, but somehow he managed to obtain an Apprentice 4 qualification (no fucking clue how), and we were forced to pay him according to that scale.Don't we cater to everyone's weakness and strengths in some form or another? Isn't it the managers job to make the best of what he's got? Or do you rely on an endless stream of healthy, capably workers so you can simply can the old, weak, lesser capable? I'm not sure I understand the society or system here. Could you elaborate - is the US job market a survival of the fittest situation or is there a shred of moral obligation for employers? Does everyone in your nation consider non-healthy or lesser productive workers inferior? It looks like everyone here is ready to jump the worker and not even once think that the employer / manager / OP might be the one to blame here. What piece of shit manager calls his workers retards to their face? Holy shit I don't envy the citizens of 'the land of the free' here.
As someone who has worked in a skilled trade, I probably would have told you to go fuck yourself if "retard" or "you're fucking useless" had come out of your mouth. Mind you I can do my job so I doubt you would have, but most guys (especially union guys) aren't afraid to tell you to go pound sand. Especially if you're some young douchebag who is in a position to supervise skilled trade guys, many of whom probably have decades of experience while you have dick besides a degree.He was a liability, yes, but I probably just screwed him out of getting any more dispatches from the union (for a while at least) after I reported his abysmal performance. I got into the industry through college and not through the field, so I'm sort of green. Part of me is wanting to give him a second chance, and if this was any other industry I probably would. Construction just changes people man. I remember in college I was way more calm, chill, hey hey hey smoke weed er'day sort of person.
Since graduating two years ago, my patience with other human beings has taken a nosedive. I'm not sure if I need anger management or just need to get a desk job.
I've been fired twice for telling the owner to "go fuck themselves" but I've never worked a union job because I dislike the punching clock bullshit that comes with it.As someone who has worked in a skilled trade, I probably would have told you to go fuck yourself if "retard" or "you're fucking useless" had come out of your mouth. Mind you I can do my job so I doubt you would have, but most guys (especially union guys) aren't afraid to tell you to go pound sand. Especially if you're some young douchebag who is in a position to supervise skilled trade guys, many of whom probably have decades of experience while you have dick besides a degree.