"I'm a fucking idiot, what do I do now?", he said to his wife.

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UPDATES - Got a text from her saying the title place didn't have the plates, fuck me she's not playing my games, etc etc.

I responded with "They have the plates for sure, I talked to the manager this morning and he had them in his hands, hang on, I'll call now."

Called the manager of Titlemax and he told me she had called and told him she was on her way to pick up the plates and title. He asked her why she would be taking the title and she said I owed her money and it's hers. So he lied and told her he didn't have the plates. I told him just give her the plates, if she takes the title thats fine, I just have to take her to court at that point.

I texted her that he has the plates, go pick them up, and that he had told me she was taking the title as well, and I'm basically pleading that you do the right thing, sign the title, take your plates, and walk away, I really want this to end, and I'm sure you do to, so please, lets just both walk away from this.

30 minutes later the manager at titlemax called me and said she came in and got the plates plus the title. He said "I tried to help man, I lied and told her "Just to let you know, we've got a request from a law firm to give them all the footage from the sale, so, just letting you know." which really freaked her out. She is outside arguing with her boyfriend right now. He was hoping that would make her sign, and she wanted to, but looks like the boyfriend is having none of it.

So at that point I texted her again, saying "Please, this is a bad situation. You were worried I was going to screw you with the plates, and I was worried you were going to screw me with the Title. Things got way out of hand, please just go back in there and sign the damn thing so we can end all of this."

20 minutes later she responded with "This is how it's going to work. You are going to send me $350 for the fine I will have to pay at the DVM, and after I've done that, I'll mail you the title. I was never going to screw you sissy boy, but now you've fucked yourself by being an idiot."

So I responded with "Well damn. I guess I'll see you in court, I'm confident I win and you end up paying for all this +car, but what else can I do? Sorry, I tried to talk you out of it."

She responds with "I will also advise you that my uncle is district attourney here in Veges
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I have lotts of pull in this town sir...not that I need it bcuz you rightful owe me $350."

I respond with "Ok, see you later then."

I called my attorney and tell him what happened. He had me call another attorney in Vegas and say he referred me. I just spent the last 30 minutes on the phone with someone at his office while they documented the whole thing and told me they would get it all to him. They also asked me to e-mail them anything I have that I think relevant. The new Lawyer is out for the rest of the day, but he will see it in the morning and talk to me tomorrow."

So, it's official, time to go into hardcore mode. I've done everything I can to not let it get to this point, but apparently it's going to court. I will demand her first born son.

Now, to see if I can find a way to pull texts off my phone!
 
opiate82

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What kind of phone? If it is a smartphone there are several ways to get the texts off of there...

Keep us updated, this is good popcorn material
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Onoes

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Samsung note 2, just downloaded an app called SMS Backup and it's sending them all to my gmail as we speak.
 
Eomer

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I know this has already been said repeatedly, but man what a clusterfuck that really had no reason to get as far as it did. Ah well, at least the lawyers on both sides will walk away thrilled with whatever shitty conclusion this reaches.
 
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I love a good taking down an asshat story, but if it were me I'd be really annoyed at having to go through all this. So yeah, you'll probably get it sorted out, but you're learning a pricey lesson here.

And it really does sound like the boyfriend was probably trying to run some kind of scam. He's pretty dumb. Also looks like the girlfriend probably got dragged into his retardation.
 
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You know, when someone earlier mentioned me just being stupider and stupider after I said I would do that, I stopped for a minute and thought, yeeeeah, maybe thats not a great idea when they could potentially murder my entire family. I'm thinking a way better idea would be to just wait a few months and burn her house down anonymously. Also, I'm hoping to move sometime, so if I end up moving away, yeah, fair game again, you guys can make her life a living hell. But yeah, she's a terrible idiot with scumbag friends so... I probably should note poke the hyena's with a stick any more than is necessary.

Sorry, but unless someone is actually going to murder them both and ensure I face no blowback, I should probably just attack them with lawyer vampires.
 
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At this point, I don't see how this isn't a criminal, rather than civil matter, in fact it should be felonious, as I'm sure the amount you gave them far far exceeded the minimum for a felony theft by deception charge (its anything over like 500 dollars stolen is a felony in Kentucky, I think, and almost certainly to be nearly the same wherever in the nation you're at. You have you on camera giving them 8, 9 thousand dollars. You have text message records showing that they effectively were given the chance to come and sign the title and refused, you have them receiving a shit load of money and you receiving an unusable car as they refuse to finalize the sale.

That, to me, fits a theft by deception charge. I would seriously consider getting law enforcement in Vegas involved in this based on that. You might need to drive down there and go into the station and actually talk to someone, rather than calling, to get this done.

I would seriously consider it. A theft by deception charge will only help your civil case as well.

added: Also since the dude in this is out on bond or whatever, this should violate his terms and he will probably immediately get sent back up if you can get them to hit him with a theft by deception charge, so make sure they know that he's out on some sort of bail or bond situation, that'll get the police's attention a lot quicker.
 
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Yeah, I'm taking a vacation day tomorrow and driving down to vegas. I'm going to bring paper copies of everything (I have 76 pages of texts, 1 page per text) between the boyfriend, myself , and the girl. On top of that I'll bring the receipt from paying off the lien, and signed statements from my wife, my friend, and the two guys from TitleMax. Give all that to the lawyer and see what he says. I'll totally go to the police station as well if that will help, I'll see what the lawyer says.

I suppose I should also type a full "This is what happened" statement from myself as well. I'll get that all done tonight, and head down in the morning.
 
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Track all the miles and your odometer, etc. You'll probably need this for damages. Now that you've got a case going on, I'm no lawyer, but I'd imagine you'd want to document 150% of everything, which probably means staying off this board.
 
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Make sure the police know that you've given them 9 thousand dollars on condition you'd get the title signed for the car and they have refused to do it. I don't see how that's not a felony at this point. If dude is out on bond or whatever, and immediately goes and starts running 10 grand car title scams on people, that's a good sign he should be locked right the fuck back up again, and if they paid to get him out, they can now say goodbye to that dosh. That alone, depending on the charge, could put them in the red on this transaction before you even get to the court house.

No way they can afford a lawyer. They probably won't even show to court and you'll win by default.
 
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I have to agree, it really seems like a felony. It is a straight up obvious scam at this point, since they have the plates and the title at this point and you are down $9,000. It would awesome if you sent this loser's boyfriend back to jail.
 
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Scammers also go cash money, which is not an insignificant consideration.

And our protagonist has a car that he has no title to (if it's like NC, he can't get plates without title or insurance) which means that he can't drive it, and he has no immediate recourse if it's stolen/repo'd. I'm not saying it's a good scam. It's a dumbfuck scam. But now our protagonist has to pay more cash money to secure his own property and he has to await the leisure of a judge.

Short term they do seem to have won. Maybe that's a bad way to phrase it. Short term our protagonist seems to have lost.
 
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So now the whole end game is to get $350 out of you? There's something we are missing here. Or maybe we know all the pieces but it was simply a half baked full retard plan from day one. That's pretty likely too.

I think the original hairbrained dumbass scheme was to pay off the title loan (which she originally took to bail out the boyfriend you said?), pocket the remaining money, then once the title is released use meat head to scare you into giving back the car before they report it stolen. Then they still have their car, title, and your money...most of which is in the form of the paid off lien. Worst case scenario in their minds they still got out of the loan even if you end up refusing to give back the car. Of course their minds aren't too functional, which is actually very common for criminals. They are operating very short term without foresight. The whole thing pivoted on you backing down when Jersey Shore got all physically threatening on top of the threats to report it stolen. That's how fucking dumb they are, they think normal employed people like you will just hand over nine grand rather than risk a confrontation with a muscle bound ape or the wrong end of the law.

At this point I'm thinking the $350 is a last ditch effort to extract some extra cash from you. They might actually let you have the title if you did that, or they might keep giving you the run around and come up with some new money scam or start demanding the car back with some new elaborate excuse why it belongs to them or some shit.

This chick could also be stupid as fucking hell, and convict boy is talking circles around her tiny mind convincing her thattheyare actually the one's getting scammed so she goes along with his fucked up plans. Either way its clear that a major aspect of this thing for them was intimidating you, based on all the threats and insults to your manliness.

You dun goof'ed son. This will be the most overpriced used Ford Focus in history once you factor in travel, legal fees, time off work, etc. Good luck getting any money out of those losers too, Judge can order it all day you won't see a dime from these deadbeats for years if ever.

If you could get them charged with a crime it would be sweet but I wouldn't count on it. And unfortunately I bet it would go against the girl if it was her name on the car and everything. I'd guess it was all her boyfriend's idea to try this nonsense though.
 
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Another deeper wrinkle could be that therenever was a title loan, the guy at TitleMax was in on this shit from the beginning, they paid him off with part of your money, and planned to have your money and bully you into giving the car back.

That seems less likely though.

The fact that she tried to text you and claim the title place didn't have the plates, despite the fact that she had already talked to them, shows they aren't trying to do anything that's remotely on the up-and-up though. So we can rule out any lingering chance of misunderstanding or confusion. They are trying to fuck you around somehow.
 
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Iannis_sl said:
Scammers also go cash money, which is not an insignificant consideration.

And our protagonist has a car that he has no title to (if it's like NC, he can't get plates without title or insurance) which means that he can't drive it, and he has no immediate recourse if it's stolen/repo'd. I'm not saying it's a good scam. It's a dumbfuck scam. But now our protagonist has to pay more cash money to secure his own property and he has to await the leisure of a judge.

Short term they do seem to have won. Maybe that's a bad way to phrase it. Short term our protagonist seems to have lost.
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At this point if they just performed the transaction they'd be better off than they are now since they could be getting into legal trouble with this scam.
 
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