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Dumped my GOOGL positions. The rising tide of good news will lift them up due to their market cap and weight in indexes, but I'm not gonna take the ride to maximize profits. Their core business is under assault and their growth no longer overrides my dislike of them as a company.
 

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Dumped my GOOGL positions. The rising tide of good news will lift them up due to their market cap and weight in indexes, but I'm not gonna take the ride to maximize profits. Their core business is under assault and their growth no longer overrides my dislike of them as a company.
Google as a search engine in 5-10 years will be about as popular as using AIM as a messaging app in 2012. I almost never use Google search anymore, ChatGPT is so much better at answering basic questions now.
 
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Google as a search engine in 5-10 years will be about as popular as using AIM as a messaging app in 2012. I almost never use Google search anymore, ChatGPT is so much better at answering basic questions now.
I can see a two-tiered search ecosystem in the future. Poors using free search like Google with ads and shit and the rest paying some monthly fee for ad-free AI searches like OpenAI/Grok.
 
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I can see a two-tiered search ecosystem in the future. Poors using free search like Google with ads and shit and the rest paying some monthly fee for ad-free AI searches like OpenAI/Grok.
Google is obviously already integrating its shitty AI results, but what happens if google's AI results get better or just integrate AI queries anyway? I know google used to be an innovation company oh long ago, but this seems like it would be a massive failure to adapt on their part.
 

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Google is obviously already integrating its shitty AI results, but what happens if google's AI results get better or just integrate AI queries anyway? I know google used to be an innovation company oh long ago, but this seems like it would be a massive failure to adapt on their part.
My honest opinion is when you look at their earnings over the years is that search/ads continue to be 80% of total revenue because all the other shit they have tried over the years doesn't work/make money. No other revenue stream they have tried has grown faster than their ad revenue. They are and have been a one-trick pony who held an unofficial monopoly in the space. As Blaz pointed out a while back, AI "Should" be a dagger in them from an ad revenue perspective. I have spent a few weeks looking for ways they are going to counter it, and can't find one. Waymo is their best shot, but ultimately they dont make the cars so its a licensing play if they can get car manufacturers not named TSLA onboard.
 
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I can see a two-tiered search ecosystem in the future. Poors using free search like Google with ads and shit and the rest paying some monthly fee for ad-free AI searches like OpenAI/Grok.
Google already has an AI answering your question and the normal links below. No way they lose their dominance as a search engine.
 
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My honest opinion is when you look at their earnings over the years is that search/ads continue to be 80% of total revenue because all the other shit they have tried over the years doesn't work/make money. No other revenue stream they have tried has grown faster than their ad revenue. They are and have been a one-trick pony who held an unofficial monopoly in the space. As Blaz pointed out a while back, AI "Should" be a dagger in them from an ad revenue perspective. I have spent a few weeks looking for ways they are going to counter it, and can't find one. Waymo is their best shot, but ultimately they dont make the cars so its a licensing play if they can get car manufacturers not named TSLA onboard.
I don't see why they can't use an AI supported by ads, just like youtube. Like they can give full Grok or ChatGPT style answers but here watch this 10 second ad first. AI compute is expensive, some people will pay (just like some people pay for youtube premium) but many will not and will watch the ads or maybe go into an ad-blocker war like youtube.

I mean I could be wrong and Google just fumbles this and becomes myspace, but I don't see why they have to.
 

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My honest opinion is when you look at their earnings over the years is that search/ads continue to be 80% of total revenue because all the other shit they have tried over the years doesn't work/make money. No other revenue stream they have tried has grown faster than their ad revenue. They are and have been a one-trick pony who held an unofficial monopoly in the space. As Blaz pointed out a while back, AI "Should" be a dagger in them from an ad revenue perspective. I have spent a few weeks looking for ways they are going to counter it, and can't find one. Waymo is their best shot, but ultimately they dont make the cars so its a licensing play if they can get car manufacturers not named TSLA onboard.
Inline sponsored (highlighted) citations. Same way grok and the other AI do it, just monetized.

Screenshot 2025-05-08 at 12-08-12 Grok _ X.png
 
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For those who see AI as no threat to GOOG's ad revenue then they are priced to buy at their current share price. If you feel otherwise (as I do), they are extremely overpriced and their growth is gonna get ass fucked. Only time will tell.
 
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Google already has an AI answering your question and the normal links below. No way they lose their dominance as a search engine.
Yeah because people LOVE all the other ads and irrelevant bs that pops up in their search results meanwhile grok or ChatGPT can answer my question directly with citations and I don’t have to see ads for Chinese gizmos.

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Google as a search engine in 5-10 years will be about as popular as using AIM as a messaging app in 2012. I almost never use Google search anymore, ChatGPT is so much better at answering basic questions now.
The thing that will be the death knell for Google search will, ironically, be something they've done to other technologies. Commoditized absorption. In 5 years nobody (or EXTREMELY FEW people) will go to a page to use a search engine. Search is being absorbed into the interfaces people use to get to the internet. This started when the default behavior of the address bar in a browser stopped being "cannot reach that address" and became "you typed in something I can't get to, let me show you a search engine search for whatever that was you just typed in". Google could survive with this since there was legal precedent to force MS to allow Google to set itself to be the default that Edge/IE used, and they had their own browser (Chrome) where they would be the default.

But it isn't stopping there. It's absorbing deeper into the connected lifestyle experience. AI driven contextual enrichment searching is now being baked into apps (Grok in Twitter for instance), things like MS Copilot are baked into the OS, Apple head also doing this. The "assistants" on both Apple and Android phones are now just extensions of the manufacturers AI which handles the searching for you. Google is being pushed further and further to the back, even on it's own phone OS. It's last line of defense is becoming that their own AI is deeply integrated with Android (i.e. it's what answers when you "Hey Google" your phone now). But all we have to have now is Elon to sue Google using the same "You can't block us out of being an option for search just because you own the browser" argument they used against MS, but substitute browser with Phone OS. It will happen, there are those already working on the Android OS open source side to do it for the industrious tinkerer....

Unless Google discovers and pioneers a "Next new thing" they're now an "old stock" heading towards inevitable decline, IMHO.
 

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My honest opinion is when you look at their earnings over the years is that search/ads continue to be 80% of total revenue because all the other shit they have tried over the years doesn't work/make money. No other revenue stream they have tried has grown faster than their ad revenue. They are and have been a one-trick pony who held an unofficial monopoly in the space. As Blaz pointed out a while back, AI "Should" be a dagger in them from an ad revenue perspective. I have spent a few weeks looking for ways they are going to counter it, and can't find one. Waymo is their best shot, but ultimately they dont make the cars so its a licensing play if they can get car manufacturers not named TSLA onboard.
It's the same thing as how Facebook is still making money, and like you said in the post before this, it's basically just going to be boomers propping up Google until they eventually die off if they can't figure out a way to make more money.

I'm not an IT person anymore, but it sounds like AWS has fallen out of favor as well?
 

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The thing that will be the death knell for Google search will, ironically, be something they've done to other technologies. Commoditized absorption. In 5 years nobody (or EXTREMELY FEW people) will go to a page to use a search engine. Search is being absorbed into the interfaces people use to get to the internet. This started when the default behavior of the address bar in a browser stopped being "cannot reach that address" and became "you typed in something I can't get to, let me show you a search engine search for whatever that was you just typed in". Google could survive with this since there was legal precedent to force MS to allow Google to set itself to be the default that Edge/IE used, and they had their own browser (Chrome) where they would be the default.

But it isn't stopping there. It's absorbing deeper into the connected lifestyle experience. AI driven contextual enrichment searching is now being baked into apps (Grok in Twitter for instance), things like MS Copilot are baked into the OS, Apple head also doing this. The "assistants" on both Apple and Android phones are now just extensions of the manufacturers AI which handles the searching for you. Google is being pushed further and further to the back, even on it's own phone OS. It's last line of defense is becoming that their own AI is deeply integrated with Android (i.e. it's what answers when you "Hey Google" your phone now). But all we have to have now is Elon to sue Google using the same "You can't block us out of being an option for search just because you own the browser" argument they used against MS, but substitute browser with Phone OS. It will happen, there are those already working on the Android OS open source side to do it for the industrious tinkerer....

Unless Google discovers and pioneers a "Next new thing" they're now an "old stock" heading towards inevitable decline, IMHO.
People will use the easiest search available to them and expect it to work. Googles play is android and apples play is iOS search. I think both of those may end up too limited. Shit like grok and ChatGPT are also probably not what wins either though imo unless their AI’s stay head and shoulders above the others. What wins is meta or TikTok ai imo because users are already in those apps for other reasons and just prefer to stay in them to search shit or ask random questions.

corporate ai is going to end up as a branded software as a service fast. Some big4 will have a sub for any accounting question. Law firms will have one for legal questions, epic will make one for medical. Etc. it will go that way and away from ChatGPT because companies will want the legitimacy that asking a branded ai offers even if it isn’t actually better than ChatGPT.