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Big_w_powah

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So, I'm in the asshole of Texas installing a Win2012 server to replace an old one..

Been browsing this place doing windows updates since 9am.

Fuckyah.
 
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radditsu

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Why, what's up? I currently manage vCenter etc. pretty much all day.



Hyper-V isn't a bad thing for labs/SMB. It doesn't really scale to large businesses all that well, at least, not on its own. Add SCVMM and you're talking a different story. But then again, this is kind of the same thing as saying that ESXi doesn't really scale well either, and that you need to add vCenter. meh.

Virtualization (VMware, VirtualBox, Hyper-V, ...)

I am bitching about it here
 
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Chancellor Alkorin

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Hey, I recognize that thread. Hah.

We're about to launch into a cross-site migration activity using vMotion over a WAN ourselves, so it'll be interesting to see if you find anything out here.
 

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I work as a consultant, work from home, nice easy money.

Been working on an AD migration, followed by Notes to Exchange Migration for a client....about 20 hours a week. Other 2 were sleeping or little crap on a handful of small clients that pay for managed services.

Get called 2 fridayas ago asking if last monday I could come into the client that ive been doing the AD/Notes project with.

Arrive last monday and they give me a desk and badge and say Ive been reassigned here till the end of the year. I figured we were a bit behind on the exchange project so they wanted to kick start some billing hours, but then they tell me they have a new contract position for a Windows Server Engineer (Always hate shitty titles) and that I will be doing that...But they dont know when they will get the funding for the contract to start, and to just focus on the exchange project. 7 days in im just sitting here, doing the same work I was doing from home, but billing at a higher rate for the company. No extras for me. No more work from home. 40 minute each way commute, about 65-70 miles round trip. Still cant get any details out of the project manager about what the fuck ever new job they have here for me.

Thats all a bit frustrating. Even worse is being stuck here, pretty much a guest, with all the full time on site guys. All have been here forever. Half seem retarded. Fighting through the "Network guys" and the "VMware Guys" and the "Info Sec" Guys is killing me. 4 random meetings a day where nothing happens is killing me.

Ive always avoided the corporate structure. Ive been able to be the big fish in the small pond at startups or fast growing companies, and bail before it gets real. Now im stuck in a cube in a health exchange.

edit - Any who, besides railing against the corporate structure, I wanted to say that Notes is fucking lame, and I cant believe there are still large enterprise orgs using it in 2016.
 
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Big_w_powah

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Thx 4 share

Your welcome.

I mean, I dont have much else to do. I can't do actual migrations during live hours, so its spinning up the virtuals and performing windows updates. I added a DC that'll eventually take the PDC role around 8pm tonight? Eh, these installs are fairly boring. At least I can take 2 hour lunches, and get some monster hunter in at the hotel.

Okay, I have to ask: What is a Dark Like?
 
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This is the shit i hate.

Just finish a meeting and find out plans have changed. I need to setup 2 Vms for ADFS and 2 for WAP to proxy ADFS through a DMZ.

Can I spin up the servers? Nope. need to file a request to the Windows Server Team who will set up a base OS install and hand it off....but first they need to file a request with the VM team to create the VM and allocate its resources. They then have to request the resources from the Infrastructure team. And it all has to b e approved at the change meeting on thursday.

There is a way to manage IT changes , and have the proper oversight and division of responsibility, but this shit aint it.

So tired of career hacks pissing circles around their desks.

Time to call the recruiter.
 
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Chancellor Alkorin

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edit - Any who, besides railing against the corporate structure, I wanted to say that Notes is fucking lame, and I cant believe there are still large enterprise orgs using it in 2016.

With you on this one. I don't even get why anyone would use Notes unless they seriously can't migrate off of their old databases because of some ancient content that they can't convert to some other format. Like, you know, Notepad, because Notepad is better than Domino.

I'm in much the same situation you're in. I can't do anything with the networking or storage equipment. Gotta put in a ticket, and wait, and wait, and wait, and go to meetings to remind people that I'm waiting. Turns out that pigeonholing people into nonsensical structures in IT isn't really the way to go. Who knew?
 
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Frenzied Wombat

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With you on this one. I don't even get why anyone would use Notes unless they seriously can't migrate off of their old databases because of some ancient content that they can't convert to some other format. Like, you know, Notepad, because Notepad is better than Domino.

I'm in much the same situation you're in. I can't do anything with the networking or storage equipment. Gotta put in a ticket, and wait, and wait, and wait, and go to meetings to remind people that I'm waiting. Turns out that pigeonholing people into nonsensical structures in IT isn't really the way to go. Who knew?


ITIL turned IT into a governmental bureaucracy of inefficiency. Take a dose of common sense, invent fancy words for aforementioned common sense, then add laborious levels of redundant bullshit into the equation and you end up with ITIL and the state of IT at large organizations today.. I could never again work in a very large IT department simply because you never get anything done-- you're either having meetings to discuss future meetings, or you're waiting for your requests to churn through 10 levels of change management bullshit.

Bigger departments certainly need bigger controls, and I only manage a department of 6 IT people, but my motto is one meeting per week max, and one change management interface that forces people to keep up with their link in the chain.
 
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With you on this one. I don't even get why anyone would use Notes unless they seriously can't migrate off of their old databases because of some ancient content that they can't convert to some other format. Like, you know, Notepad, because Notepad is better than Domino.

I'm in much the same situation you're in. I can't do anything with the networking or storage equipment. Gotta put in a ticket, and wait, and wait, and wait, and go to meetings to remind people that I'm waiting. Turns out that pigeonholing people into nonsensical structures in IT isn't really the way to go. Who knew?

This is what leads me to try to stick to startups or consulting for small (under 200) companies.

Alot of these enterprise types were at the leading edge after Y2k and havent adapted since. They have guys who have been siloed for 15 years with no intent to change or learn anything new.

It blows my mind. There is a guy here on the network team. Fucking GENIUS with the tech they have, but a moron on the same principles on different equipment. Watching him try to use a meraki MX is like watching a baby try to learn to walk. Meanwhile the guy manages the network for 15 sites with 4000 users on Palo Alto and hes a master. You talk to these guys and hes been here 15 years, doing the same siloed job and has mastered what he knows....its like learning a board game. He might not be able to tell you why something works, but he knows exactly how to do it. But outside of his little area he doesnt know shit. Same thing with the Notes Email admin, and sharepoint admin, etc. Couldnt tell you he difference between a Public and Private IP but master their craft.

The silo mentality is a death sentence.

Alot of the newer mindset is collaboration with multiple techs involved in multiple facets. My last company I ran the IT department of about 30 people. I had 4 "Senior" techs that were responsible for The Routers, Firewalls, Switches, Servers, Wireless, Applications, Databases etc. Between the 4 of them they did the job fine. You lose a bit of the Specialist and some higher end knowledge and experience, but most support plans made that obsolete years ago, and everything is getting so much easier. And hell, google fixes 90 percent problems. I haven't found a thing that I either couldnt fix myself, or find a forum post about in years.

I think it is alot easier keeping Millennials in that kind of environment too.

A good manager and a team of average Do everything techs is more functional to me than a shit manager sitting in meetings all day with a team of Specialists that cant even complete a task without 5 other people involved.

ITIL turned IT into a governmental bureaucracy of inefficiency. Take a dose of common sense, invent fancy words for aforementioned common sense, then add laborious levels of redundant bullshit into the equation and you end up with ITIL and the state of IT at large organizations today.. I could never again work in a very large IT department simply because you never get anything done-- you're either having meetings to discuss future meetings, or you're waiting for your requests to churn through 10 levels of change management bullshit.

Bigger departments certainly need bigger controls, and I only manage a department of 6 IT people, but my motto is one meeting per week max, and one change management interface that forces people to keep up with their link in the chain.

Truest thing I have ever read.

Salaries have also flattened out in many markets. Alot of Smaller shops are able to pay the same or more than giant companies. Demand does it I guess. Moron Drones will take steady safe pay for 30 years where talented people might be more willing to take a risk.
 
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Big_w_powah

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Lol, I'm not talking skirting around the chocolate starfish.

I'm in deep, bordering intestines, sir.

DEEP southwest Texas.

Lets put it this way: I ate breakfast this morning at a local diner, and got to chat it up with 3 border patrol agents..
 

Frenzied Wombat

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This is what leads me to try to stick to startups or consulting for small (under 200) companies.

Alot of these enterprise types were at the leading edge after Y2k and havent adapted since. They have guys who have been siloed for 15 years with no intent to change or learn anything new.

It blows my mind. There is a guy here on the network team. Fucking GENIUS with the tech they have, but a moron on the same principles on different equipment. Watching him try to use a meraki MX is like watching a baby try to learn to walk. Meanwhile the guy manages the network for 15 sites with 4000 users on Palo Alto and hes a master. You talk to these guys and hes been here 15 years, doing the same siloed job and has mastered what he knows....its like learning a board game. He might not be able to tell you why something works, but he knows exactly how to do it. But outside of his little area he doesnt know shit. Same thing with the Notes Email admin, and sharepoint admin, etc. Couldnt tell you he difference between a Public and Private IP but master their craft.

The silo mentality is a death sentence.

Alot of the newer mindset is collaboration with multiple techs involved in multiple facets. My last company I ran the IT department of about 30 people. I had 4 "Senior" techs that were responsible for The Routers, Firewalls, Switches, Servers, Wireless, Applications, Databases etc. Between the 4 of them they did the job fine. You lose a bit of the Specialist and some higher end knowledge and experience, but most support plans made that obsolete years ago, and everything is getting so much easier. And hell, google fixes 90 percent problems. I haven't found a thing that I either couldnt fix myself, or find a forum post about in years.

I think it is alot easier keeping Millennials in that kind of environment too.

A good manager and a team of average Do everything techs is more functional to me than a shit manager sitting in meetings all day with a team of Specialists that cant even complete a task without 5 other people involved.



Truest thing I have ever read.

Salaries have also flattened out in many markets. Alot of Smaller shops are able to pay the same or more than giant companies. Demand does it I guess. Moron Drones will take steady safe pay for 30 years where talented people might be more willing to take a risk.

The siloing is a direct result of the "segregation of duties" concept spawned in the early 2000's to address the fact that it became a compliance/security conflict to manage say, both layer 3 and layer 7 at the same time. So the days of the Windows/Cisco guy went bye-bye at any but the smallest of organizations. Unfortunately this creates a situation where you have some pretty serious single points of failure-- like the guy who had been on staff 15 years that exclusively manages some key system and falls dead from a heart attack at 42. That happened at an old company I worked for and since nobody could manage his system, the company went under a year later after repeated outages..
 
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The siloing is a direct result of the "segregation of duties" concept spawned in the early 2000's to address the fact that it became a compliance/security conflict to manage say, both layer 3 and layer 7 at the same time. So the days of the Windows/Cisco guy went bye-bye at any but the smallest of organizations. Unfortunately this creates a situation where you have some pretty serious single points of failure-- like the guy who had been on staff 15 years that exclusively manages some key system and falls dead from a heart attack at 42. That happened at an old company I worked for and since nobody could manage his system, the company went under a year later after repeated outages..

Forgive my ignorance. I'm 32 and started in the field around 2003, and In the navy where on a ship there isn't the manpower to silo. So maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. I never got the compliance issue. Is it too much power?

I've dealt largely in pci audits, and that's never been an issue. Hitting the compliance check marks Witt he lowest level of access is easy when a job is described broadly. I'm just now getting into hippa and financials, so maybe I will see that as more common.
 

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Forgive my ignorance. I'm 32 and started in the field around 2003, and In the navy where on a ship there isn't the manpower to silo. So maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. I never got the compliance issue. Is it too much power?

I've dealt largely in pci audits, and that's never been an issue. Hitting the compliance check marks Witt he lowest level of access is easy when a job is described broadly. I'm just now getting into hippa and financials, so maybe I will see that as more common.

The security issue is probably best illustrated this way. I worked at a rather large financial services company 13 years ago and one day it was discovered that we were running a rather significant porn/warez server in our DMZ-- it was only discovered because of mounting attacks against the network, as well as increased bandwidth usage. One of the senior admins worked on both networking and servers, and had basically setup the server, networking, and firewall. If the guy had been "silo'd" into only doing Windows administration, or Cisco networking, he wouldn't have had access to the range of facilities needed to set it up. Hence, things like SOX, ITIL, and basic "segregation of duties" was conceived to combat this problem. This also became part of "compliance", which is a hallmark at any financial firm due to SEC regulations. If you work at any publicly traded company, your basically married to this bureaucratic shitshow.
 
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This is really tough to follow

Celestain why do you hate us and why did you make a joint IT and software engineering thread