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Hopefully this becomes a bipartisan bill and gains traction
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It won't because of India's growing influence on congress.

Limiting, even completely halting, H1Bs if anything helps India because it keeps their smartest workers inside India. They might put up a token "angry press statement" but that will be about it.

Doing anything to impair the ability of US companies to keep outsourcing to cheap India labor (which is a growing percentage of their workforce, and the basis of a burgeoning "Indian middle class") would be dropping a financial nuke on the country. If we want to drive them into a locked tight relationship with Russia and China this is how you do that.

But the reality is, if we don't want to see our own middle class hollowed out via outsourcing, we're going to have to do it, or something equivalent, and probably before Trump's term is over. Kinda has to be, since Vance is married to an Indian, and do you think she's going to let him pull that trigger?
 
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Its hilarious to me when this shit really stated was in the early 90s when all of our manufacturing and blue collar work were dismantled and offshored to mexico and china. No one said shit while the lower rungs of our middle class were being nuked. (Learn to code!) In the 2Ks they began to go after our white collar workers. I remember in like 2004 my Auto engineer company I worked for at the time wanted to send some of us to India to "train" their workers (to take our jobs.) Most of us laughed and said basically fuck you, but im sure some went. Now the offfice I work at is basically 25 engineers (down from like 350 in 2012) 1/2 of them are H1B and 90% of the work is being done in india.
 
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Haus said:
It won't because of India's growing influence on congress.

Limiting, even completely halting, H1Bs if anything helps India because it keeps their smartest workers inside India. They might put up a token "angry press statement" but that will be about it.

Doing anything to impair the ability of US companies to keep outsourcing to cheap India labor (which is a growing percentage of their workforce, and the basis of a burgeoning "Indian middle class") would be dropping a financial nuke on the country. If we want to drive them into a locked tight relationship with Russia and China this is how you do that.

But the reality is, if we don't want to see our own middle class hollowed out via outsourcing, we're going to have to do it, or something equivalent, and probably before Trump's term is over. Kinda has to be, since Vance is married to an Indian, and do you think she's going to let him pull that trigger?
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And it will likely follow the same trajectory as call center outsourcing which moved on from India years ago to the Philippines and keeps moving to cheaper and cheaper labor forces as their infrastructure improves, including Africa.... outsourcing to Africa, what a world.
 
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And it will likely follow the same trajectory as call center outsourcing which moved on from India years ago to the Philippines and keeps moving to cheaper and cheaper labor forces as their infrastructure improves, including Africa.... outsourcing to Africa, what a world.
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Yes, which is why any outsourcing/offshoring control EO, Law, Regulation has to be non-India specific. Catch em all. You pay someone outside the country to do a service for your company in America? You're going to be taxed for the American we'll have to put on unemployment because of it.
 
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mkopec said:
Its hilarious to me when this shit really stated was in the early 90s when all of our manufacturing and blue collar work were dismantled and offshored to mexico and china. No one said shit while the lower rungs of our middle class were being nuked. (Learn to code!) In the 2Ks they began to go after our white collar workers. I remember in like 2004 my Auto engineer company I worked for at the time wanted to send some of us to India to "train" their workers (to take our jobs.) Most of us laughed and said basically fuck you, but im sure some went. Now the offfice I work at is basically 25 engineers (down from like 350 in 2012) 1/2 of them are H1B and 90% of the work is being done in india.
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The H1B shit started in the 90s too, otherwise spot on. I remember the big tech companies putting out their crocodile tears lying their asses off to congress that there was a severe shortage of workers in the US, when people were chomping at the bit to get in. It was always meant to suppress wages, and has been expanded to be modern day slavery and destroying the middle class.
 
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Anyone else's company start doing AI "Hackathons" in the last few years? Ridiculous exercises where teams are supposed to go off on their own and use AI to "innovate" and "add value"?

We've had a few, almost nobody has participated because they are a joke, until this most recent one where they made it mandatory (I can't even begin to tell you how hilarious that is). Anyway, my company is mostly too cheap to pay for the tokenized AI agents (which ironically is going to end up being a good thing in the long run most likely) so almost all of these teams trying to make "new" shit with AI are running into query limits. This isn't a surprise, if you're trying to use AI to build something from the ground up with no actual human coding involved the free services are going to laugh at you.

One team however managed to "deliver" something. This team consequently ended up winning.

What did this team use AI to build? "An AI crawler that returns results of Azure DevOps tickets based on query information given to it". That's exactly what it sounds like. They used AI to query the existing search feature in Azure DevOps and return the same exact results as just using search. And the entire organization is abuzz at how impressive this is.
 
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Haus

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Khane said:
Anyone else's company start doing AI "Hackathons" in the last few years? Ridiculous exercises where teams are supposed to go off on their own and use AI to "innovate" and "add value"?

We've had a few, almost nobody has participated because they are a joke, until this most recent one where they made it mandatory (I can't even begin to tell you how hilarious that is). Anyway, my company is mostly too cheap to pay for the tokenized AI agents (which ironically is going to end up being a good thing in the long run most likely) so almost all of these teams trying to make "new" shit with AI are running into query limits. This isn't a surprise, if you're trying to use AI to build something from the ground up with no actual human coding involved the free services are going to laugh at you.

One team however managed to "deliver" something. This team consequently ended up winning.

What did this team use AI to build? "An AI crawler that returns results of Azure DevOps tickets based on query information given to it". That's exactly what it sounds like. They used AI to query the existing search feature in Azure DevOps and return the same exact results as just using search. And the entire organization is abuzz at how impressive this is.
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My company has had these, hell in our most recent performance reviews there was even a section to specifically document how you'd used AI to improve how efficiently you could do your job.

And some people were doing some novel stuff with AI in the competitions, all the while cynical old ass Haus in the corner kept pointing out how they're quite literally making it easier and easier to replace them with either an AI itself, or a low paid intern/entry level class individual who can use AI as a crutch...
 
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We don't do AI hackathons but we're pushing AI super hard and its annoying. I swear every suit is just repeating AI buzzwords over and over and hoping someone makes something worth a damn. So far I'm not impressed.
 
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We don't do AI hackathons but we're pushing AI super hard and its annoying. I swear every suit is just repeating AI buzzwords over and over and hoping someone makes something worth a damn. So far I'm not impressed.
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yup all way overblown and gay. our tech leaders are fucking empty suits. its all buzzwords and no vision. these assholes dont have even a plan for API or platform decisions. its all AI durr durr durr
 
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Despite AI and all of its gay buzzword versions. I will maintain that if you are a developer and you are not using an AI IDE like Cursor, you are crippling yourself. It is 50x faster to constrain the AI with Rules(if whatever IDE you use allows it. Cursor has this natively but VSCode you have to jerry rig it) and give it a few descriptive sentences about the updates you want to make. Let it do it's thing then proofread the results. As opposed to doing it the old fashioned way.

If you are a non-technical person trying to do a technical job with AI to fill the gap. This will result in failure. How long it takes the suits to realize this though? Who knows.
 
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Khane said:
And it will likely follow the same trajectory as call center outsourcing which moved on from India years ago to the Philippines and keeps moving to cheaper and cheaper labor forces as their infrastructure improves, including Africa.... outsourcing to Africa, what a world.
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Phillippines call centers are 100X superior to Indian ones though. No idea why they didn't just start there.

I have never once had a Flip on a customer service call who wasn't very easy to understand.
 
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Posted on /r/IndianWorkplace to absolutely nobody's surprise...
 
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