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TJT

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Welp I succeeded at getting a job offer... for a job I don't even want. It would legitimately be going back 10 years in terms of tech stack and I would be helping them convince the rest of the org to modernize.

Meaning I would barely do shit other than be bored making POCs and shit. Would be a good raise too. I just can't see myself doing.

It does sting to walk away from a $200k base, 15%/yr bonus and even a $20k sign on bonus that I didn't expect. But I just can't. But seriously their major problems are things I engineered out of my current job years ago and don't even think about. They're just beginning to think "hey maybe we need that this sucks."
 
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TJT said:
Welp I succeeded at getting a job offer... for a job I don't even want. It would legitimately be going back 10 years in terms of tech stack and I would be helping them convince the rest of the org to modernize.

Meaning I would barely do shit other than be bored making POCs and shit. Would be a good raise too. I just can't see myself doing.

It does sting to walk away from a $200k base, 15%/yr bonus and even a $20k sign on bonus that I didn't expect. But I just can't. But seriously their major problems are things I engineered out of my current job years ago and don't even think about. They're just beginning to think "hey maybe we need that this sucks."
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I can understand all that for sure. There is a bigger behemoth lurking in the depths of tech for us though.

5 years from now how much damage will AI "vibe coding" have done to the majority of companies and what kind of mess would you be walking into elsewhere? This company at least seems to be resistant to that sort of mess from what you're saying.

The company that I currently work for, have worked for since 2007, is deteriorating at such a break neck pace because of this that I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold off for parts by our parent company within the next 5 years.
 
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We got a developers survey today which just went to show how out of touch our company is with what I do. One of the questions was about how long it takes to go turn around a code change and test it, options were something like 10s, 30s, 60s, 2 min, 5 min and that was it.

Our build takes more than 5 minutes... A server might take 20-30 minutes to flash our image. Testing is not immediate either, we may need to use hardware emulators/debugging tools.

AI is being sold to companies and I don't think a single exec is grounded in reality.
 
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TJT said:
Welp I succeeded at getting a job offer... for a job I don't even want. It would legitimately be going back 10 years in terms of tech stack and I would be helping them convince the rest of the org to modernize.

Meaning I would barely do shit other than be bored making POCs and shit. Would be a good raise too. I just can't see myself doing.

It does sting to walk away from a $200k base, 15%/yr bonus and even a $20k sign on bonus that I didn't expect. But I just can't. But seriously their major problems are things I engineered out of my current job years ago and don't even think about. They're just beginning to think "hey maybe we need that this sucks."
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On the other hand, you'd have years of solid work at that pay rate though with raises.

Would you be in charge enough to try to help modernize them and set them up "correctly" from the ground up?
 
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Would you be in charge enough to try to help modernize them and set them up "correctly" from the ground up?
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Extremely unlikely. Mostly I'd be helping sell the greater organization on this or that and squeezing it in where I can, if at all. They had very specific interview questions about that, "how would you sell this to a large team of stakeholders?" Along with a small sample pitch of something and other nonsense. For a staff engineer role.
 
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Noodleface said:
We got a developers survey today which just went to show how out of touch our company is with what I do. One of the questions was about how long it takes to go turn around a code change and test it, options were something like 10s, 30s, 60s, 2 min, 5 min and that was it.

Our build takes more than 5 minutes... A server might take 20-30 minutes to flash our image. Testing is not immediate either, we may need to use hardware emulators/debugging tools.

AI is being sold to companies and I don't think a single exec is grounded in reality.
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I think beyond that it fundamentally ignores that the means to teach AI (human documentation) doesn't read in a truly step by step machine fashion. A manual for hardware specifics, database rules, and so on is written with the implicit understanding that the person reading it has some background in it and would fill in the gaps. AI cannot do this which leads to bizarre behavior in general.

Like what you touched on earlier about the AI not understanding the boot sequence and thus coding incorrectly. Even though it can indeed spit out 500 lines of code in an instant. Similarly in the data space, unless you spell out how relationships between objects and databases are defined it just does nonsense. Made more complicated by most modern database systems not even having declared relationships like SQL Server does, and even SQL Server doesnt have all of that accessible to the AI to work with. So you're left babysitting the AI to get the answer you want and you maybe saved 10% of your time doing it.
 
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TJT said:
I think beyond that it fundamentally ignores that the means to teach AI (human documentation) doesn't read in a truly step by step machine fashion. A manual for hardware specifics, database rules, and so on is written with the implicit understanding that the person reading it has some background in it and would fill in the gaps. AI cannot do this which leads to bizarre behavior in general.

Like what you touched on earlier about the AI not understanding the boot sequence and thus coding incorrectly. Even though it can indeed spit out 500 lines of code in an instant. Similarly in the data space, unless you spell out how relationships between objects and databases are defined it just does nonsense. Made more complicated by most modern database systems not even having declared relationships like SQL Server does, and even SQL Server doesnt have all of that accessible to the AI to work with. So you're left babysitting the AI to get the answer you want and you maybe saved 10% of your time doing it.
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To the bean counters that is 10% less headcount/payroll.
 
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To the bean counters that is 10% less headcount/payroll.
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Yeah they are currently ignoring the freemium AI prices.

AI are saas products. Everyone gets the teaser rates right now but in another year or two these companies expect to close the trap. Would you look at that your entire staff can't even do day to day tasks without AI-Slopmaster 7.2 on Enterprise ChatGPT? Then they squeeze you. Just like Salesforce, ServiceNow, AWS, and so on all do.

That 10% of time is about to get real expensive. But its like 8 quarters out so leadership doesn't even realize it exists.
 
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