IT/Software career thread: Invert binary trees for dollars.

Noodleface

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Okay boys. I got another job offer for a job I think I want. The offer is for a staff role in their data platform org. Its a rapidly growing company at $2B ARR. They are more mature in data organization but a bit behind on the tooling I prefer. This is because I had total control of data infra at my current place, or at least de facto control. I've tried to get the company to adopt the strategy of getting technically proficient data people in their business teams for years with limited success.

This company hires "analytics engineers" directly to work in that slice of the business as this is ultimately much more efficient. This is a very hard conversation to have with business teams as they never understand that value and just go with the cheaper fresh grad data analyst because he's 1/3 the price of an AE. Perpetuating the same problems. They are technically behind where I've led my current company in various ways but their org is larger and they want to update so I get it.

Having a bit of a dilemma choosing though so I am spending the weekend deliberating on it. I would appreciate any and all ridicule, insults, and maybe a kernel of decent advice you are willing to provide.

I main concern is that I am trading 7 years of seniority I enjoy and de facto total control of data infrastructure to start greenfield once again. Albeit in a much more senior role and about $50k more in income. Income being the least of reasons to take the job. I have been promoted 4 times in 7 years at my current company and I would inevitably get promoted again as we ride to $1B in revenue (prob 3 years away, maybe 4).

I am not getting any younger and I have always known my current place underpays a bit relative to the market and I never really cared. I still don't care about that. So I am looking at tradeoffs.

Current:
  • De Facto ownership of entire data platform.
  • Lots of seniority and tenure I enjoy.
  • SAAS company. Strong product, I would recommend it to anyone in the space it occupies.
  • Free to experiment with whatever and include whatever (within $ reason of course).
  • Awesome company, I have always loved working here.
  • Would be promoted again eventually.
  • Org is slow to adopt data modernization as described above.
  • Real Time data processing not necessary for the business side (I researched this for them for several years and despite their OMG REAL TIME, it had almost no impact on the business itself. It only mattered to keep the product itself functioning well).
New:
  • Behind on the tech a little bit, but recognize the things I have been doing recently as where they want to go.
  • Ahead on the organizational strategy for the company.
  • Very rapid growth.
  • SAAS/Standard service company kind of hybrid thing. Interesting product I see their value to real world stuff. Logistics company.
  • Real time data processing is integral for both the product and running the business itself which interests me from a technical perspective.
  • I explicitly asked about growth in the org and they were very direct about it (unless lying to me I guess) they wanted someone who can mentor and lead the org some which is the direction I want to go. As I am almost 40 (god damn).

I'll have to go to the office 2x a week but I am actually grateful for that as I have been WFH for 5 years now and even I need to get out of the house a bit more. As introverted as I may be.
Sounds to me like youre holding being "in charge of things" in high regard. As someone in a similar position in my company, I do feel quite comfortable. But lately I've been looking outward a bit because it also gets tiring.

IMO I'd move to the new company. It's guaranteed higher wage, seems to be moving more in the direction you'd want and if there's rapid growth probably much quicker. If you were older it'd be easier to persuade you against this, but at 40 you have plenty of time to correct your course if this doesn't pan out.

$50k is nothing to sneeze at either. Even if you're very comfortable now, I imagine +$50k can get you to retirement much faster.
 
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Neranja

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Sadly, I think I am slowly seeing the end of the line at my current company. It's not that the work sucks or isn't interesting, it's that the company decided to reorganize the whole structure to optimize for their biggest client.

And clearly they have no idea where to put me, because in my boss' words "you know everything and have your fingers in everything". And now I am suddenly saddled with not only my boss, but also a "service manager" for that client that wants to play boss, and is now constantly talking and having meetings about how we "organize our work" with Jira, Kanban boards and SCRUM... when I'm working less than 20% for that client.

I guess I'll have to have a very difficult conversation, or update my CV. Probably both.
 
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moonarchia

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Sadly, I think I am slowly seeing the end of the line at my current company. It's not that the work sucks or isn't interesting, it's that the company decided to reorganize the whole structure to optimize for their biggest client.

And clearly they have no idea where to put me, because in my boss' words "you know everything and have your fingers in everything". And now I am suddenly saddled with not only my boss, but also a "service manager" for that client that wants to play boss, and is now constantly talking and having meetings about how we "organize our work" with Jira, Kanban boards and SCRUM... when I'm working less than 20% for that client.

I guess I'll have to have a very difficult conversation, or update my CV. Probably both.
Good luck!
 

Haus

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I'm in a situation right now that sounds like a ton of the conversation here.

I'm in a job I know I could coast at probably for a good while, at least a few years, and be close enough to call it a career and do part time and consulting until official "retirement."

But it's basically draining my will to live. I had an opportunity here to get into a mentorship/training role basically shaping kids we were getting fresh out of college, even asked to apply for it by the director of the group. Only for him to come back and tell me that he was made aware that one of my peers that was also going for the position and was pretty neck and neck with me for it was going to get RIF'd if he didn't land this position and the director didn't want to be responsible for him being jobless.

I know the guy in question, he is a good guy, and I wouldn't want him to be jobless either. Just sucks that it was one of maybe 2 roles in the org I can see myself actually enjoying moving forward because the changes they've made to my role are not working out well for any of us in the role (a huge chunk have left, and everybody else it seems like is actively interviewing).

Which brings me around to a conversation I had with one of my younger co workers Friday. Our company is his first job in CyberSecurity, I've been trying to be the "old seasoned fart on the hill" for him, and he told me he needed some "Consult with Yoda time". Then fires off "When should I start listening to the recruiters who have been reaching out to me?" And I told him that being in his 20's if there is a good time to get aggressive and take some (well considered) chances now was the time. Even reflected to him how I probably lost 10 prime earning years when I was younger because I was content and "comfortable" in a job which wasn't treating me right.

Since that conversation I've been trying to justify telling him that while I'm grinding away by just saying "Well, he isn't in his 50's and obviously at the tail end of act 2 of his life". But part of me is calling BS in my head over it.
 
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Control

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Since that conversation I've been trying to justify telling him that while I'm grinding away by just saying "Well, he isn't in his 50's and obviously at the tail end of act 2 of his life". But part of me is calling BS in my head over it.
Eh, if I tell someone exercise is good for them, it doesn't stop being true just because I'm fat.