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Tech Sales, Customer Experience, and the like are the least likely to be replaced by AI what are you smoking?

This is especially true in tech sales. When you sell a $1M+/year product/SAAS service to a customer you bet your ass they expect to have a real person on beck and call. Big accounts often have just one CX manager who only works with that one account and no others. They'd be absolutely livid if they had to talk to a robot for anything.
 
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Tech Sales, Customer Experience, and the like are the least likely to be replaced by AI what are you smoking?

This is especially true in tech sales. When you sell a $1M+/year product/SAAS service to a customer you bet your ass they expect to have a real person on beck and call. Big accounts often have just one CX manager who only works with that one account and no others. They'd be absolutely livid if they had to talk to a robot for anything.
Some of the call center chatbot AI's are really, really, good. To the point you'd never know.
 

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Some of the call center chatbot AI's are really, really, good. To the point you'd never know.
Dude, what industry do you work in exactly?

You don't have call centers as you may think of them when you are paying hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for it. You call someone directly who is your point of contact. There are always chatbots for basic questions and things and those have existed for ages.
 

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Dude, what industry do you work in exactly?

You don't have call centers as you may think of them when you are paying hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for it. You call someone directly who is your point of contact. There are always chatbots for basic questions and things and those have existed for ages.
I have absolutely zero to do with tech sales. My background is basically all CNO and extremely targeted cyber security / defense. lol.

My only job role even close to anything you IT people talk about here was 1 year as a systems engineer.
 

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Do you even read this thread? We don't really have any traditional IT workers posting in here. Not a single one. Phazael Phazael is probably the closest to such a role but even that is a stretch.

Traditional IT as in help desk on up to system admins and keeping the company functioning tech wise.
 
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Do you even read this thread? We don't really have any traditional IT workers posting in here. Not a single one. Phazael Phazael is probably the closest to such a role but even that is a stretch.
Ok, well I read the thread title and go by that. Sorry, I'll ignore the thread since you seem to want a circle jerk of software dev's only.
 
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TJT

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IT workers are welcome to post in here. You're the one talking about totally irrelevant nonsense, as nobody is talking about the traditional IT space but you. Your frame of reference is completely invalid for the current discussion.

Carry on though.
 
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IT workers are welcome to post in here. You're the one talking about totally irrelevant nonsense, as nobody is talking about the traditional IT space but you. Your frame of reference is completely invalid for the current discussion.

Carry on though.
Ah yes, responding to a post about tech sales with an example of tech sales is irrelevant nonsense.
 

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The AI call agents are getting very good at sounding human very quickly. It's gone from "Tell me a bit about what you need" in a stiff, robotic voice and then stilt/lifeless acknowledgements to close enough to human that you might be fooled if you weren't paying attention, and they are only going to get better. One of the biggest selling points of newer AI tooling is that its conversational.

So I agree that with big sales the customer might demand a human contact they can speak with but there is a good chance a lot of companies will either stop offering this or straight up lie and put AI in place anyway.

This is all to say IF AI ever actually advances to the point where it can actually *think* and *create*. I think this aspect is much farther off than people estimate though. If its even truly possible.
 

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I think its important to keep in mind that for run of the mill customer service AI isnt competing with a real person.

Its competing with singsong bullshit you can somehow smell through the phone.

For run of the million customer interactions AI customer service is already much better than its competition.
 

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The AI call agents are getting very good at sounding human very quickly. It's gone from "Tell me a bit about what you need" in a stiff, robotic voice and then stilt/lifeless acknowledgements to close enough to human that you might be fooled if you weren't paying attention, and they are only going to get better. One of the biggest selling points of newer AI tooling is that its conversational.

So I agree that with big sales the customer might demand a human contact they can speak with but there is a good chance a lot of companies will either stop offering this or straight up lie and put AI in place anyway.

This is all to say IF AI ever actually advances to the point where it can actually *think* and *create*. I think this aspect is much farther off than people estimate though. If its even truly possible.
That's already here. I am watching a customer I have supported in the past who was a BPO (read : call center outsourcer) getting absolutely put in the cuck chair by AI based "Call Centers" that are coming in at 30-40% the cost and in many cases providing service customers like more.. Here's one of the examples : Fin. The #1 AI Agent for customer service | Unmatched capabilities

They have customer coming to them saying "You need to do our renewal at 40% less or we're out"

And even they are trying to leverage AI , but in their case, they're using it to do "dynamic voice masking". i.e. They're using AI as the audio version of an Instagram filter to make it less obvious you're talking to someone in India, the Philippines, or Costa Rica.

And I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with :
I think its important to keep in mind that for run of the mill customer service AI isnt competing with a real person.
In that I am seeing it first hand, and experiencing it first hand. It's not at the tier 2 and 3 level for technical support. But it's crushing Tier 1, which was the majority of outsourcing.
 

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The AI call agents are getting very good at sounding human very quickly. It's gone from "Tell me a bit about what you need" in a stiff, robotic voice and then stilt/lifeless acknowledgements to close enough to human that you might be fooled if you weren't paying attention, and they are only going to get better. One of the biggest selling points of newer AI tooling is that its conversational.

So I agree that with big sales the customer might demand a human contact they can speak with but there is a good chance a lot of companies will either stop offering this or straight up lie and put AI in place anyway.

This is all to say IF AI ever actually advances to the point where it can actually *think* and *create*. I think this aspect is much farther off than people estimate though. If its even truly possible.

As it currently stands, no AI agent is even remotely convincing to anyone with intelligence. I'm sure they work on the brain dead retards out there, and I can tolerate an AI agent in some situations as long as its not horribly coded, but if I need any sort of interaction and it fails to do its job, I'm taking my business elsewhere. I think there's a lot of people who underestimate how important the first contact interaction and responsiveness is for long term business.
 

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There seems to be this major disconnect where people believe AI can be a software developer but for some reason those same people believe AI can't do whatever it is that they do in their job.

"AI will replace software devs but not me!"
Sir, this is FoH. Where nearly everyone is a top 1% developer, coder, stock trader, muscle mass haver, graduated top of their class, completely rewired their companies infrastructure by hand, redesigned their databases from scratch, and could sell a sex doll to Mother Theresa. AI isn't replacing any of our Dunning Kruger's.
I think there's a lot of people who underestimate how important the first contact interaction and responsiveness is for long term business.
You don't have to like AI agents, but pretending they're universally obvious or ineffective just isn't reality anymore. Plenty of people interact with them daily without even realizing it (especially in support pipelines where the goal isn't to "convince" you it's human, but to resolve your issue quickly). People who go in looking to "catch" or "AKTUALLY!!" AI are going to notice it, sure. Everyone else just wants their problem solved asap.

Second, this idea that you'll just "take your business elsewhere" is pure fantasy in 2026. The market isn't some wide-open bazaar of equal competitors anymore. It's a handful of massive conglomerates owning entire sectors. Whether it's telecom, retail, tech services, logistics, or even supply chains, you're often choosing between different brands owned by the same parent companies. The world is effectively controlled by a small cluster of corporate giants, so acting like consumers have infinite mobility is naive at best. You're not "voting with your wallet" nearly as much as you think. You just end up shifting between subsidiaries.

AI agents are being deployed because they scale instantly, respond faster than human reps, and handle the bulk of low-to-mid tier issues without queue times. Businesses aren't prioritizing your personal preference for human interaction because you're a boomer that needs to chat about menial bullshit with a human on the other end. They're prioritizing efficiency, cost, and consistency. If anything, your willingness to walk away is already factored into their models, and they've decided it's an acceptable loss.
 

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Sir, this is FoH. Where nearly everyone is a top 1% developer, coder, stock trader, muscle mass haver, graduated top of their class, completely rewired their companies infrastructure by hand, redesigned their databases from scratch, and could sell a sex doll to Mother Theresa. AI isn't replacing any of our Dunning Kruger's.

You don't have to like AI agents, but pretending they're universally obvious or ineffective just isn't reality anymore. Plenty of people interact with them daily without even realizing it (especially in support pipelines where the goal isn't to "convince" you it's human, but to resolve your issue quickly). People who go in looking to "catch" or "AKTUALLY!!" AI are going to notice it, sure. Everyone else just wants their problem solved asap.

Second, this idea that you'll just "take your business elsewhere" is pure fantasy in 2026. The market isn't some wide-open bazaar of equal competitors anymore. It's a handful of massive conglomerates owning entire sectors. Whether it's telecom, retail, tech services, logistics, or even supply chains, you're often choosing between different brands owned by the same parent companies. The world is effectively controlled by a small cluster of corporate giants, so acting like consumers have infinite mobility is naive at best. You're not "voting with your wallet" nearly as much as you think. You just end up shifting between subsidiaries.

AI agents are being deployed because they scale instantly, respond faster than human reps, and handle the bulk of low-to-mid tier issues without queue times. Businesses aren't prioritizing your personal preference for human interaction because you're a boomer that needs to chat about menial bullshit with a human on the other end. They're prioritizing efficiency, cost, and consistency. If anything, your willingness to walk away is already factored into their models, and they've decided it's an acceptable loss.
I'm not saying I universally reject AI agents. There are plenty of situations where they make sense, and I understand why businesses are trying to put them everywhere. I just think that over time people will discover there are situations where you ultimately will want a human over an AI.

Infact, I posted a story in the AI thread about why I like amazon's AI agents. They are very easy to bully into making concessions, sometimes absurd ones. I ended up getting 2 of an item and a refund when I tried pushing an ai agent in a comically aggressive way. Any human would have told me to eat shit and ended the conversation, but the AI was all I'm SOOOO Sorry.

My point is more they are making the change without knowing the consequences yet.
 

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Sir, this is FoH. Where nearly everyone is a top 1% developer, coder, stock trader, muscle mass haver, graduated top of their class, completely rewired their companies infrastructure by hand, redesigned their databases from scratch, and could sell a sex doll to Mother Theresa. AI isn't replacing any of our Dunning Kruger's.

You don't have to like AI agents, but pretending they're universally obvious or ineffective just isn't reality anymore. Plenty of people interact with them daily without even realizing it (especially in support pipelines where the goal isn't to "convince" you it's human, but to resolve your issue quickly). People who go in looking to "catch" or "AKTUALLY!!" AI are going to notice it, sure. Everyone else just wants their problem solved asap.

Second, this idea that you'll just "take your business elsewhere" is pure fantasy in 2026. The market isn't some wide-open bazaar of equal competitors anymore. It's a handful of massive conglomerates owning entire sectors. Whether it's telecom, retail, tech services, logistics, or even supply chains, you're often choosing between different brands owned by the same parent companies. The world is effectively controlled by a small cluster of corporate giants, so acting like consumers have infinite mobility is naive at best. You're not "voting with your wallet" nearly as much as you think. You just end up shifting between subsidiaries.

AI agents are being deployed because they scale instantly, respond faster than human reps, and handle the bulk of low-to-mid tier issues without queue times. Businesses aren't prioritizing your personal preference for human interaction because you're a boomer that needs to chat about menial bullshit with a human on the other end. They're prioritizing efficiency, cost, and consistency. If anything, your willingness to walk away is already factored into their models, and they've decided it's an acceptable loss.
Oh I'm a shit developer, that's why Im in charge
 
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Sir, this is FoH. Where nearly everyone is a top 1% developer, coder, stock trader, muscle mass haver, graduated top of their class, completely rewired their companies infrastructure by hand, redesigned their databases from scratch, and could sell a sex doll to Mother Theresa. AI isn't replacing any of our Dunning Kruger's.

You don't have to like AI agents, but pretending they're universally obvious or ineffective just isn't reality anymore. Plenty of people interact with them daily without even realizing it (especially in support pipelines where the goal isn't to "convince" you it's human, but to resolve your issue quickly). People who go in looking to "catch" or "AKTUALLY!!" AI are going to notice it, sure. Everyone else just wants their problem solved asap.

Second, this idea that you'll just "take your business elsewhere" is pure fantasy in 2026. The market isn't some wide-open bazaar of equal competitors anymore. It's a handful of massive conglomerates owning entire sectors. Whether it's telecom, retail, tech services, logistics, or even supply chains, you're often choosing between different brands owned by the same parent companies. The world is effectively controlled by a small cluster of corporate giants, so acting like consumers have infinite mobility is naive at best. You're not "voting with your wallet" nearly as much as you think. You just end up shifting between subsidiaries.

AI agents are being deployed because they scale instantly, respond faster than human reps, and handle the bulk of low-to-mid tier issues without queue times. Businesses aren't prioritizing your personal preference for human interaction because you're a boomer that needs to chat about menial bullshit with a human on the other end. They're prioritizing efficiency, cost, and consistency. If anything, your willingness to walk away is already factored into their models, and they've decided it's an acceptable loss.
A number of companies I do work for don't have an in house net at all. If they want something A to B they walk to the next office with a thumb drive or emial it through whatever. But I don't do computer work.
 

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How about people that are opposed to it because the ethical, moral, security and environmental issues and economic costs haven't been sufficiently addressed?

Can you tell me how many man-hours it would have taken to do what Noodle did? Do you know if you ended up paying that cost in electricity and data center hardware depreciation anyway?

I'm more than willing to admit AI is cheaper, but I want to be able answer that question. The remote compute makes cost a giant black box.
I'm a little worried that all of the chip makers are going to shift to making these AI tensor bullshit chips and good old fashioned general purpose computing is going to be hard(er) to come by.

On the security topic, I've seen some wild stuff than can happen with model poisoning and other AI attack vectors. I certainly hope (though I'm not optimistic lol) that people keep AI out of things like guidance systems, centrifuges, air traffic control, etc. though I'm sure there will be a major issue at some point security wise.