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Gutterflesh said:
Especially when she would bring her work home and get all twisted up when I would call the new season of Game of Thrones retarded.

Her: "You shouldn't use that word. It's not nice."
Me: "You got a better word to explain this stupid shit?"

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Do you ask her how long until everyone realizes HR is just DEI for women before they called it DEI?
 
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Sanrith Descartes said:
Do you ask her how long until everyone realizes HR is just DEI for women before they called it DEI?
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My wife is "conflict adverse", so if I get too heated she shuts down.

It's a topic I raged hard on in the past and lectured her that DEI will eventually put a bullet in the head of HR due to the burden it put on companies. When big companies started to shutter DEI that cost cutting rippled through all of HR.

In short I was right which is good enough for me. She's actually a pretty good lady, so I don't feel the need to rub it in....too much.
 
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My wife is "conflict adverse", so if I get too heated she shuts down.

It's a topic I raged hard on in the past and lectured her that DEI will eventually put a bullet in the head of HR due to the burden it put on companies. When big companies started to shutter DEI that cost cutting rippled through all of HR.

In short I was right which is good enough for me. She's actually a pretty good lady, so I don't feel the need to rub it in....too much.
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My HR director of one of my previous companies was also a friend. We could have honest talks about that shit. She was one of the rare breed who saw HR as nothing more than a Dept whose entire function was to protect the company from lawsuits (private or governmental). She made sure the shop wasn't run like a locker room (it was a manufacturing company) not because she was offended personally (she wasn't) but because those actions could give rise to lawsuits and that could hurt the company. From a hiring perspective, it was almost all white males because... They ended up being the best candidates. She knew labor laws (State and Federal) inside out and knew what we could do and not do safely.

This is the only philosophy I can get behind in terms of HR departments.
 
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Sanrith Descartes said:
My HR director of one of my previous companies was also a friend. We could have honest talks about that shit. She was one of the rare breed who saw HR as nothing more than a Dept whose entire function was to protect the company from lawsuits (private or governmental). She made sure the shop wasn't run like a locker room (it was a manufacturing company) not because she was offended personally (she wasn't) but because those actions could give rise to lawsuits and that could hurt the company. From a hiring perspective, it was almost all white males because... They ended up being the best candidates. She knew labor laws (State and Federal) inside out and knew what we could do and not do safely.

This is the only philosophy I can get behind in terms of HR departments.
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My wife is very similar with her focus being on compliance, benefits and compensation.

Side note I met my wife while we worked at the same company. When I tell people how we met I always end it with "I just wanted some extra PTO and somehow ended up getting married."

She hates that joke, but it still makes me laugh 20 years later.
 
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It's a topic I raged hard on in the past and lectured her that DEI will eventually put a bullet in the head of HR due to the burden it put on companies. When big companies started to shutter DEI that cost cutting rippled through all of HR.
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WTF? I love DEI now! Just heard a chunk of my company's HR is being laid off and replaced with AI. I wonder if the worthless gatekeeping they do for open positions will get better or worse.
 
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Just something I noticed. I haven't been looking for a job really but I make it a point to do a few interviews a year and keep my resume up to date.

Normally, I could apply to whatever jobs that suit my proficiency in technology. Data engineering, data architecture, or Salesforce mostly. This would net me an interview or call with some reliability just because the pool of people in this space is smaller than it is for something like Frontend development or similar. I would just apply through Indeed and get a call back pretty quickly from someone,

That is not true today. I have put forth at least 400 indeed applications this year and I've been contacted like five times. I have a lot more success responding to recruiter spam that comes to me directly. Such as this opportunity I've been interviewing for. Just make sure its not a pajeet scammer or staffing agency thing.
 
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Sanrith Descartes said:
My HR director of one of my previous companies was also a friend. We could have honest talks about that shit. She was one of the rare breed who saw HR as nothing more than a Dept whose entire function was to protect the company from lawsuits (private or governmental). She made sure the shop wasn't run like a locker room (it was a manufacturing company) not because she was offended personally (she wasn't) but because those actions could give rise to lawsuits and that could hurt the company. From a hiring perspective, it was almost all white males because... They ended up being the best candidates. She knew labor laws (State and Federal) inside out and knew what we could do and not do safely.

This is the only philosophy I can get behind in terms of HR departments.
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Exactly this. Why hire some nogs who are just looking for retirement checks over nothing? Like the worthless janitor at Tesla who sued for lol racism and got paid millions for nonsense?
 
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Exactly this. Why hire some nogs who are just looking for retirement checks over nothing? Like the worthless janitor at Tesla who sued for lol racism and got paid millions for nonsense?
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It wasn't for nonsense. It was to give Elon the finger.
 
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Just something I noticed. I haven't been looking for a job really but I make it a point to do a few interviews a year and keep my resume up to date.

Normally, I could apply to whatever jobs that suit my proficiency in technology. Data engineering, data architecture, or Salesforce mostly. This would net me an interview or call with some reliability just because the pool of people in this space is smaller than it is for something like Frontend development or similar. I would just apply through Indeed and get a call back pretty quickly from someone,

That is not true today. I have put forth at least 400 indeed applications this year and I've been contacted like five times. I have a lot more success responding to recruiter spam that comes to me directly. Such as this opportunity I've been interviewing for. Just make sure its not a pajeet scammer or staffing agency thing.
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Its.... really bad out there. And it's looking like I need to start hitting the pavement hard immediately.

Yesterday my boss told me he will be retiring at the end of September. He said his impression of what will happen to me is I will get moved up and start working directly for his boss and be put in charge of a modernization project for the platform I work with. Later yesterday I got a meeting invite from one of his peers who is in Brazil and just hired 6 new devs split between Brazil and India. This guy is under the impression I am going to help train his team on the platform I work with and they will help modernize it. He tried to butter me up when asking for my help by saying it was to make sure I had more time to focus on modernization so I wouldn't have to "bother with legacy code". Nice try asshole. I am not gonna train anyone from another country on a single fucking thing and they can fire me if they don't like it.

They should have built that team around me and let me hire, instead I wasn't even part of the hiring process at all. The writing is on the wall and they are probably going to end up firing me because I very literally, 100% will flat out refuse to teach them anything.
 
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If I was super serious about getting another job I am just going to fight fire with fire and get on one of the AI mass submission tools.
 
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Its.... really bad out there. And it's looking like I need to start hitting the pavement hard immediately.

Yesterday my boss told me he will be retiring at the end of September. He said his impression of what will happen to me is I will get moved up and start working directly for his boss and be put in charge of a modernization project for the platform I work with. Later yesterday I got a meeting invite from one of his peers who is in Brazil and just hired 6 new devs split between Brazil and India. This guy is under the impression I am going to help train his team on the platform I work with and they will help modernize it. He tried to butter me up when asking for my help by saying it was to make sure I had more time to focus on modernization so I wouldn't have to "bother with legacy code". Nice try asshole. I am not gonna train anyone from another country on a single fucking thing and they can fire me if they don't like it.

They should have built that team around me and let me hire, instead I wasn't even part of the hiring process at all. The writing is on the wall and they are probably going to end up firing me because I very literally, 100% will flat out refuse to teach them anything.
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I'm friends with my old boss, who was hiring supervisors for 85k pre COVID.

Now literally the entire city is sitting at 65-75k for pay bands on 80% of supervisor gigs. He's trying to get a director/VP job and paid for LinkedIn premium and every job has 250+ applicants, so he's either overqualified or the other applicants have 20 years of specialized experience.

Good luck even getting a phone screen with that shit. You need AI to write your resume, which is reviewed and tossed in the trash can by another AI, all so you can make less money than you did 5 years ago.

The future is fake and gay
 
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Feels bad man.....

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A quarter of young Boomers and Gen Xers who’ve been laid off in the last decade are still unemployed—and 11% have taken pay cuts to work

Just as financial pressure peaks, many Gen Xers are finding themselves overlooked, underpaid, and edged out.
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At 56, I can attest to every one of these stats except the laid off one (thankfully and knocking on wood) Highlights :

• 24% of Gen Xers laid off in the last decade still don’t have jobs.
• 49% say they make less than younger coworkers
• 22% skipped for projects
• 16% passed up for promotion
 
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Feels bad man.....

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A quarter of young Boomers and Gen Xers who’ve been laid off in the last decade are still unemployed—and 11% have taken pay cuts to work

Just as financial pressure peaks, many Gen Xers are finding themselves overlooked, underpaid, and edged out.
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At 56, I can attest to every one of these stats except the laid off one (thankfully and knocking on wood) Highlights :

• 24% of Gen Xers laid off in the last decade still don’t have jobs.
• 49% say they make less than younger coworkers
• 22% skipped for projects
• 16% passed up for promotion
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The late boomers and Gen Xers have a straight up different attitude and mindset about work. Get it done, do it right and move on to the next task. Acknowledgement is always nice to hear, but they don't do it "for" the acknowledgement like younger folk do. And as the bosses become more and more of the younger folks, they are going to promote and hire those with likeminded ideas. I will take a grouchy, keep to himself guy who outperforms than nice young social butterfly who underperforms.
The next 20-30 years are going to be interesting.
 
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The late boomers and Gen Xers have a straight up different attitude and mindset about work. Get it done, do it right and move on to the next task. Acknowledgement is always nice to hear, but they don't do it "for" the acknowledgement like younger folk do. And as the bosses become more and more of the younger folks, they are going to promote and hire those with likeminded ideas. I will take a grouchy, keep to himself guy who outperforms than nice young social butterfly who underperforms.
The next 20-30 years are going to be interesting.
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I'm at the point of literally thinking "Find a way to pile up as much money as I can in the next decade and then fuck off to the middle of nowhere to be Crazy Ol Haus the guy who makes stupid metal doodads", then take up a hobby of yelling at clouds.
 
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I'm at the point of literally thinking "Find a way to pile up as much money as I can in the next decade and then fuck off to the middle of nowhere to be Crazy Ol Haus the guy who makes stupid metal doodads", then take up a hobby of yelling at clouds.
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Strictly from a mental health perspective, dumping the corporate world and opening our own businesses and then later moving to a rural place has been the best decisions we ever made. You can't put a price tag on dumping all the baggage that comes with working for others.
 
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Why are salaries down now in your industry?
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Because as turnover happened out of China Virus, they just opened the reqs with a lower pay scale. And since it's no longer an employees market now that companies aren't as desperate for labor...well..

That's what happened for the last 2 companies I've been with and Cutlery Cutlery is in the same industry as I am.

The only area I still see my industry suffering with major turnover and pretty much still always in a state of "hiring" is at the entry level. Pickers, packers, forklift drivers, etc.

And with the fact that we keep having to bump pay by .50-1.00 every so often to attract people, there will soon come a point where it's probably more worthwhile to dump the stress of entry level management and just punch a clock soon.
 
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Why are salaries down now in your industry?
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Some trends I'm seeing emerge right now that might be multi-industry :
  • Middle Management, who previously did a lot of "watch the dashboards, make sure the lights are all green" are being looked at HARD. Because if they're really coaching/developing needed workers cool, but if they're just managing/supervising the work process companies are quickly finding ways to make an automation process and/or AI do it.
  • Low tier knowledge skill workers - That's being gobbled up, also by AI. And what's not being gobbled up by AI, since we have adapted due to Covid to remote work, can be offshored to India to save 70% of the labor cost.
  • Low tier information workers (i.e. customer support types) - All folding into AI/ML/Automation. I know BPOs that are panicking because people can now do their "super cheap offshored call center" "super cheaper" with an AI in the cloud....
There will eventually be unforeseen negative subsequent realities happen because of these trends, but bottom line profit driven companies don't care about 2 years from now. As I keep getting told in sales "Welcome to the most IMPORTANT FISCAL QUARTER OF YOUR LIFE".... every... .single.... quarter.
 
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