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Amzin

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You see tons of plays like that in random NA/EU pubs too. I'm sure the Koreans are gonna win the championship again but I think it'll mostly be due to team play, the mechanics of the best NA/EU teams are up there. A lot of those Lee Sin plays never would have happened in a pro game just because that Ez/Sona/Jarv wouldn't have sucked at punishing him so much :p
 

drtyrm

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I think it's that Lee Sin's kit is super cool looking. The ultra high mobility and skill shots. Don't see many Best Sona NA Highlight videos.
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Nirgon

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The game's in a pretty good spot right now I'll say. Wish they'd do something with Amumu and the other "given" ban picks.

The ban/pick/counter-pick scene in (not trying to derail, remain calm...) DotA 2 is much better.
 

Bain

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@buffy: yeah, thats true. That's why I'd like to just see my elo and not this useless division system. Lost my last series game vs a plat 4 ezreal who came to lane with red buff and level 2. It was close, but I definitely got outplayed and Ez survived with ~20 hp and a double.
 

The Ancient_sl

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The game's in a pretty good spot right now I'll say. Wish they'd do something with Amumu and the other "given" ban picks.

The ban/pick/counter-pick scene in (not trying to derail, remain calm...) DotA 2 is much better.
At least at the level I play at the constant bans aren't because the champs are OP, but because they are faceroll easy to be good with. Amumu and Blitz require you to hit one skill shot to be really good, Malphite requires even less.

Maybe that's the definition of OP, but I think it's a slight distinction between the champ is too powerful and the champ is never bad.
 

ronne

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Amumu/malph/blitz have more to do with the fact that they will steal games based on the worst player on the enemy team. The champs themselves aren't especially amazing, but they will make every teamfight a 4v5 because your worst player can't stop getting hit at long range/out of position.
 

Golt_sl

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Amumu/malph/blitz have more to do with the fact that they will steal games based on the worst player on the enemy team. The champs themselves aren't especially amazing, but they will make every teamfight a 4v5 because your worst player can't stop getting hit at long range/out of position.
Yup, really can't be said enough. Until I reach a tier where even my weakest teammate won't be susceptible to amumu/blitz type of hooks and bandage tosses in every single team fight.. you're much better off banning them.
 

Ravishing

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I never ban blitz anymore, thresh is much more powerful. I always win lane vs a blitz support. The other supports put him to shame. Its like playing a 1v2 lane when a blitz is on your team. He is melee and can't heal, shield or harass. He can peel, hook and knockup which are very powerful tools for sure but thresh, leona, lulu and janna are just far superior.

Disclaimer: I'm Silver I where blitz is still 100% banned by most players.
 

Golt_sl

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I never ban blitz anymore, thresh is much more powerful. I always win lane vs a blitz support. The other supports put him to shame. Its like playing a 1v2 lane when a blitz is on your team. He is melee and can't heal, shield or harass. He can peel, hook and knockup which are very powerful tools for sure but thresh, leona, lulu and janna are just far superior.

Disclaimer: I'm Silver I where blitz is still 100% banned by most players.
I'm curious to what you main in ranked. Because the reason I ban blitz specifically, I jungle/top usually.. and when I duo queue my teammate often is mid. So i have no direct control over botlane. Sure I go to gank whenever opportunity presents, but otherwise it's up to random strangers to handle it. Which I don't trust, and with good reason.. I've seen too many games get snowballed early from the opposing ADC getting a double kill off bot with a good blitz hook. Or in a tight game, someone randomly getting caught to a hook over the wall, forcing a 4v5 engage or a major objective lost (baron/inhib). I'm on my Gold 1 promo and I still worry about blitz picking off teammates. Maybe if you main something in bot you have a good handle on controlling him, but I don't and won't trust randoms to be able to handle it. As far as other supports go, I'm surprised you mention Janna.. i feel like she's pretty trashy atm. Passive is okay, and her disengage is nice, but she feels really niche. All about disengaging the enemy off your adc, but her ult is way less devastating then say a flash crescendo from Sona, Lulu wild growthing a diving tank in the middle of the enemy team etc.. not really a big fan.
 

Plaid_sl

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I never ban blitz anymore, thresh is much more powerful. I always win lane vs a blitz support. The other supports put him to shame. Its like playing a 1v2 lane when a blitz is on your team. He is melee and can't heal, shield or harass. He can peel, hook and knockup which are very powerful tools for sure but thresh, leona, lulu and janna are just far superior.

Disclaimer: I'm Silver I where blitz is still 100% banned by most players.
There's no way you can "always" win a lane in ranked. You sound like the guy during picks who says "I always win as irelia" and feeds the darius. Let's try to be a little more realistic. I'm assuming you've laned against blitz 2-3 times and happened to win those 2-3 games.
 
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Thresh's pull is in no way shape or form as good as Blitz's pull/knockup.
Haha.

Threshes pull + E is actually stronger then blitzes. Longer duration on total CC, the ability to direct a misplacement on the person you snag. The ability to either haul the enemy towards you are go to them for a full team disruption + ult. They've nerfed Blitz in to the ground between his damage nerfs and the obscene amount of mana it takes to use his hooks. Blitz is a shadow of his former self, he wishes he was as good as thresh is now.


edit: As far support power goes right now I'd have to go with...

Lulu = Thresh > Taric = Leona = Sona > Alistar (unless Patoy) > Blitz etc. If you are taking in to account everything that the support can do whether in laning or during team fights. Then you have the gimmick supports for very specific strats or lanes like Elise, Zyra, and Fiddle. Strong when used properly but not really a relevant support for a bunch of team styles.
 

The Ancient_sl

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Blitz's pull takes a champ immediately to Blitz's location where Blitz plus any nearby heroes can immediately start damaging. Thresh's pull starts to pull someone towards Thresh who maybe the team can extend a little further to initiate what will end up being a full on team fight. A shitty Thresh will fuck your team up because your team has to adjust to the placement of his pull.

I'll take Blitz every time in Silver.

Also knockups are better than stuns.
 

Bain

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Only thing I disagree with you about, Vimeseh, is where you label Zyra. She's just as strong as Taric, Leona, or Sona as she brings consistent harass, consistent CC, and great teamfight presence from a safe distance. Thresh also has consistent harass throughout laning phase which can easily set you up for kills even if the opponent is skilled enough to avoid 90% of your hooks. Blitz is very overrated in low solo q since his damage nerfs that took away his guaranteed hook -> knock up -> silence kill combo.
 
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Blitz's pull takes you immediately to Blitz's location where Blitz plus any nearby heroes can immediately start damaging. Thresh's pull starts to pull someone towards Thresh who maybe the team can extend a little further to initiate what will end up being a full on team fight. A shitty Thresh will fuck your team up because your team has to adjust to the placement of his pull.

I'll take Blitz every time in Silver.
Then you'd be taking a sub par champion in every situation but wall pulls. Being honest here, in laning or in a game my lane partner/team is never so far behind or away from me when I attempt a hook that they have to make any herculean efforts to get to who I hooked. Just looking at their stats Thresh has a higher win rate at Silver and up, and starts eating many more bans then blitz once you break in to gold. Also Thresh knocks people up too, with the bonus of direction control.

edit: Having said that Blitz has been on perma ban status for so long that people can't let it go. So I understand why people still view him as the bottom lane boogie man. He's like amumu, Malphite or Shen in that the percieved power of the champion over such a long period of time has built up a mental block for people playing against them. Zed, J4, Nasus (pending his Wither nerf) Thresh, Draven, TF, Nid, and others are much more worthy of bans at the moment but you won't see those banned out at lower tier games
 

The Ancient_sl

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Then you'd be taking a sub par champion in every situation but wall pulls. Being honest here, in laning or in a game my lane partner/team is never so far behind or away from me when I attempt a hook that they have to make any herculean efforts to get to who I hooked. Just looking at their stats Thresh has a higher win rate at Silver and up, and starts eating many more bans then blitz once you break in to gold.
You are right Thresh is a better champion, but I think that's because of what he offers in total. I still think Blitz's pull/knockup is strictly superior.

Also when I said I'll take Blitz, I meant as a teammate, not a pick. A bad Blitz will be ineffective. I've seen bad Threshs ruin teams.
 

Plaid_sl

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Thresh's pull is in no way shape or form as good as Blitz's pull/knockup.
I would not say one is better than the other. They work and behave differently (can you say situational?). Big difference in my opinion is it's easier for thresh to use his hook to make better use of his ult than blitz can since Thresh can pull himself towards his target.
 

Bain

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A bad blitz can ruin you, too. Ever had him hook the enemy initiator straight into your back line? It's fantastic.