So why aren't you linking Harvey's videos? He he not just as salient and damning? That girl must have some great credentials to be cited over him.
Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Hahhah the 'is Kentucky in the South?' debate is going to be Hodj's Waterloo.
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How do I know David Harvey is a real Marxist, and not just using Marx's words as a tool to manipulate others, like you accuse Mao Stalin Lenin Pol Pot, and every other major communist world figure to date of doing?
Why, if every person who has ever considered themselves a Marxist wasn't really, and who claims to be a Marxist, wasn't really acting as a Marxist, should I trust anything any Marxist has to say?
Your own argument this entire time has been not to trust the word of people who claim to be Marxists, because they lie and use the rhetoric as a means to an end of self aggrandizement.
You have literally put yourself into a corner where no material you attempt to cite has credibility, because they're all people who call themselves Marxists, and you've told us we can't believe what those people say about their Marxist ideology.
And the worst part is, you still don't realize that's the corner you've backed yourself in to.
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I already proved it wasn't.
If the only argument anyone has for Kentucky being in the South is because they say so because they think we're racist, well, that isn't a valid argument that refutes actual historical facts like which side we fought on, the role we played in the war, our geographic location to the Missouri Compromise line, etc.
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Really Araysar and Dumar are making the same bad argument: That their OPINIONS matter more than HISTORICAL FACTS.
Historical Fact: Mao was a communist who operated from a Marxist perspective, ran the most populated communist nation on Earth for decades, and is one of the most prolific communist authors in history.
Historical Fact: Kentucky sided with the Union and fought for the North.
Neither of these are disputable on any level. They are historical fact. Written in stone. Immutable and unchanging.
Everything else is them declaring their opinions are more important than facts.
Nope. They aren't. Well, not to me, anyway. Cold hard facts are really all I care about.
Anyway, back to maths.
Historical Fact: Mao was a communist who operated from a Marxist perspective, ran the most populated communist nation on Earth for decades, and is one of the most prolific communist authors in history.
Historical Fact: Kentucky sided with the Union and fought for the North.
Neither of these are disputable on any level. They are historical fact. Written in stone. Immutable and unchanging.
Everything else is them declaring their opinions are more important than facts.
Nope. They aren't. Well, not to me, anyway. Cold hard facts are really all I care about.
Anyway, back to maths.
I never said you can't look at what they say. Anyone can say anything they want at any time. I said look at what theydo, as in Mao's policies. If Harvey goes on to create his idea of a communist state under Marx's banner, and through his policy, subjugates his people to forced labor, forced occupations, oppression, mass terror, and brutality, then he has not created a state consistent with Marx's definition.
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Says the guy who completely discounts the opinion of a well-received published scholar on a historical matter and substitutes his own as one that is more legitimate.
Can't have it both ways, bro.
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That was a bloodless battle with an unconditional surrender. No way Hodj is going down without spilling lots and lots of blood.
No! That's the wrong class. Are you gonna continue to be a noshow? And my class is free.
If you need help, let me know. Four calc classes and differential equations later, I still remember the lowly derivative!
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This doesn't make sense. I just said opinions don't matter when they run counter to facts. Then you say I can't ignore an opinion that runs counter to facts, that that would be trying to have it both ways.
Its actually having it the same way.
Let me know when you come up with some hard facts to show that Kentucky sided with the South in the Civil War. Otherwise we're Union boys, and Midwesterners to boot.
Every single argument you've made results in the only logical conclusion being that you can't trust what a Communist says, since every major supposed Communist in history turned out to be a liar.
Every major supposed communistregime, yes absolutely. Because what they say and do are totally different things.
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Goal post shifting.
You said Mao wasn't a communist, no matter what he said or did or how he ran his country, now you're shifting it to the regime, separating him from his government.
Your intellectual dishonesty is vomit worthy.
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If opinions don't matter, then why are you giving so much weight to Mao's opinion that he himself was a communist, despite the fact that his actual governance was completely contrary to ideals espoused by Marx that Dumar has been so generous in bringing to light?
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Because Dumar isn't an authority on Mao's inner mind, and Mao's actions were completely in accordance with Marxist theory and doctrine at the time he was engaging in his actions.
Nice try though. This has actually been answered multiple times over in this thread. Dumar and Mikhail don't get to come in, declare themselves authorities on Marxist doctrine, write off every major communist leader in history as actually really capitalist, thus innoculating their ideology from all falsifiability.
I said numerous times I am no authority on Mao's intentions. No one is. I don't know what he really believed. And numerous times I said it doesn't matter: his activity was not in accordance with Marxian philosophy.
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Also, barf.
No really, dude.
Fucking puke.
Dumar has spent this entire thread quoting two lines from Marx and claiming that those two lines innoculate the entire ideology from criticism of its actual results for the past 150 years.
Comport that argument to any other fucking atrocity in the past, like the Crusades and Christianity. Oh Christianity isn't really responsible for the Crusades because the Crusaders didn't REALLY act Christ like.
You wouldn't buy that argument then. But yet you're willing to let it float in this context?
Sickening.
Dumar and Mikhail don't get to just wash away the sin of 150 million dead under their ideology by shifting the blame over to Capitalists and saying, really, all those starving Russians and Chinese and macheted massacred Cambodians were the result of evil capitalists.
That is some insincere, disingenuous horseshit.
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He wasn't speaking on Mao's inner mind, only the actions which, according to you are in accordance with Marxist theory, but according to Dumar and the leading scholar's on the subject weren't in accordance with Marxist theory. Why should I, as a neutral, objective observer to this battle royal, take your word for it over more credentialed authorities?
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