Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Loser Araysar
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No rage here, bro. Nothing but pure tranquility and relaxation.
I'm a little wiser and older these days, and I see things for what they are. I dont want to deny gays their rights and I want them to have the same privileges and restrictions that others have. The fact remains is that they are a tiny percentage of the population that has a voice that is much louder than their position dictates, much like the Tea Party.
If you want to teach kids about the gay lifestyle at an early age, you'll have to start teaching every other sexual deviation (because that is what homosexuality is, it is a deviation from the norm). But why stop there? Let's introduce alternative theories for everything in K-12: standardize creationism along with evolution in all schools, normal history with teabagger revisionist history, teach every flavor of religion in the world, normal English right beside Ebonics and redneck English, etc.
Get off that fag cross, Duppin. You're a terrible martyr.
I'm a little wiser and older these days, and I see things for what they are. I dont want to deny gays their rights and I want them to have the same privileges and restrictions that others have. The fact remains is that they are a tiny percentage of the population that has a voice that is much louder than their position dictates, much like the Tea Party.
If you want to teach kids about the gay lifestyle at an early age, you'll have to start teaching every other sexual deviation (because that is what homosexuality is, it is a deviation from the norm). But why stop there? Let's introduce alternative theories for everything in K-12: standardize creationism along with evolution in all schools, normal history with teabagger revisionist history, teach every flavor of religion in the world, normal English right beside Ebonics and redneck English, etc.
Get off that fag cross, Duppin. You're a terrible martyr.
You're right, everything should be determined by a strict majority. We should still have segregated schools and drinking fountains.
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The idea that environment doesn't influence sexuality, or that sexuality is influenced entirely by genes, aka you're either "born gay" or you "aren't born gay", and absolutely nothing about culture can influence that reality, is politically correct horseshit of the highest order.
Sexuality is almost certainly determined by a complex interaction of many allele locations in the genome, and cultural and environmental influences. No one is born exclusively straight or exclusively gay, and life events and familial relations and personal predilections and predispositions will all come together to build an individual over time as they develop and mature.
Sexuality is almost certainly determined by a complex interaction of many allele locations in the genome, and cultural and environmental influences. No one is born exclusively straight or exclusively gay, and life events and familial relations and personal predilections and predispositions will all come together to build an individual over time as they develop and mature.
You are, absolutely, born gay or not gay. What culture can, and does, affect is whether you express it, or try to fit in with the "norm".
Araysar's nightmare of gays standing outside the schools and handing out "come over to our side, we have sequins!" propaganda is hilariously wrong and just shows that he has more in common with the tea partiers that he decries than he wants to admit to himself.
Araysar's nightmare of gays standing outside the schools and handing out "come over to our side, we have sequins!" propaganda is hilariously wrong and just shows that he has more in common with the tea partiers that he decries than he wants to admit to himself.
Nah, I'll just let you two continue to huddle together here in the 'shaw because you're afraid of the gay boogeyman.
You're huddling together out of fear, not out of latent attraction, of course.
You're huddling together out of fear, not out of latent attraction, of course.
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My fear is of random strangers with ulterior motives handing out sexual material to impressionable kids who dont know any better, whether its gay or straight material.
That's a discussion to be had between me and my child, not between my child and some activist.
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Yeah I was going to use the ancient Greeks as a good example, actually.
Saying that people are born gay or born straight, or born to rape children or born to rape animals or whatever, is nonsense. So magically all these Greek dudes just happened to have the perfect gene alleles for child rape? Like it was just a wide spread gene complex that was lost sometime in the past 2000 years, but prior to that, the Greek population was just full of the child rape gene complexes.
I don't think so.
Sex with young males was acceptable in Greek culture, and so people engaged in the behavior and didn't think much about it. That's the truth. Cultural and environment interact with genotype to determine phenotype. Sexuality is a pretty strong component of phenotype, its not going to be influenced solely and exclusively by genome.
If it was, homosexuality wouldn't exist, because the genome desires above all else toooooooooo..... survey say......replicate itself.
Homosexuality prevents replication. So if "homosexuality" was an exclusively genomic effect, the fact is that the selective pressure against it would be pretty strong, and would predispose the gene complex to being removed from the population.
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The real argument is that it doesn't matter if it's a choice. Even if it were just a choice, it would still be one people should be allowed to make because Jesus doesn't fucking exist.
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How do you jump from me saying that homosexuality is not just a genome driven phenomena to homophobia?
You just proved my point that this idea is pure politically correct bullshit.
Some gays are born that way, others weren't, but they were predisposed and environmental and cultural influences helped impact their decision to become homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that statement. In fact, saying that homosexuality is a purely genome driven process basically justifies viewing homosexuality as abberrant behavior from a genetic point of view.
Let's put this another way, you have an embryo with the "Gay gene". From your perspective, this can only be viewed as an abberration, such as trisomy events. And thus, "Repairing" the gay gene would be a perfectly acceptable medical technique. Now gay people are literally discriminated against in the womb and are being selected against.
Or, you know, we just accept that some people choose to be gay, and realize that people have a right to choose how their life's course will play out, and then we choose to respect their decision as an adult making choices for their lives that they perceive to be correct.
Somehow, all this is said to you, and you read "GAYS ARE BAD HERP A DERP"
I'm not trolling you Duppin, I'm teaching you science.
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What choice are you referring to?
The choice of activists to distribute sexual materials to kids? Or the choice of parents to retain the exclusive right to have the sex ed. dialogue with their children in a manner and timing they see fit?
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Hodj, environment definitely effects people, but Duppin has it right when he says...
Araysar is just a bigot on this issue, no other way around it.
The choice to be gay.
But as for "sexual materials" and all that, I think if you think parents are gonna be any kind of limiting factor on when kids get whatever information/smut/etc they're interested in, you're living in the past.
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