Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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hodj_sl said:
How do you jump from me saying that homosexuality is not just a genome driven phenomena to homophobia?

You just proved my point that this idea is pure politically correct bullshit.

Some gays are born that way, others weren't, but they were predisposed and environmental and cultural influences helped impact their decision to become homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that statement. In fact, saying that homosexuality is a purely genome driven process basically justifies viewing homosexuality as abberrant behavior from a genetic point of view.

Let's put this another way, you have an embryo with the "Gay gene". From your perspective, this can only be viewed as an abberration, such as trisomy events. And thus, "Repairing" the gay gene would be a perfectly acceptable medical technique. Now gay people are literally discriminated against in the womb and are being selected against.

Or, you know, we just accept that some people choose to be gay, and realize that people have a right to choose how their life's course will play out, and then we choose to respect their decision as an adult making choices for their lives that they perceive to be correct.

Somehow, all this is said to you, and you read "GAYS ARE BAD HERP A DERP"

I'm not trolling you Duppin, I'm teaching you science.
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The problem with "people are born gay" is that it is a sleight-of-hand maneuver to equate gay politics to racial politics. After all, you're not a racist are you? How can you discriminate against people because they were born black? So how can you discriminate against people who are gay?

It was a useful argumentative sledgehammer (as faulty as it is) in the 1960s sexual revolution and post-Stonewall Riots, but knowing what we know these days about nature vs. nurture, it really doesnt pass the logical and scientific muster anymore.

Duppin, you're working from an old gay agenda playbook. Have someone over at the San Francisco Office of Homosexual Affairs send you an updated edition.
 
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The problem with "people are born gay" is that it is a sleight-of-hand maneuver to equate gay politics to racial politics.
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The problem with "people are born gay" is that it doesn't matter because ethically people are allowed to choose do what they want so long as it doesn't harm others.
 
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khalid_sl said:
Hodj, environment definitely effects people, but Duppin has it right when he says...

Araysar is just a bigot on this issue, no other way around it.
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I suppose if I supported punishment for murder I'd be called a racist because most of murders committed in this country are perpetuated by blacks.

This is how stupid that line of reasoning is. It's not a gay issue, its an anti-decency issue. Much like from my example above, its not a race issue, its a murder issue.
 
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khalid_sl said:
Hodj, environment definitely effects people, but Duppin has it right when he says...


Araysar is just a bigot on this issue, no other way around it.
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I'm not arguing about Araysar or his claims, or defending them.

I'm just pointing out that the idea that sexuality is a genome driven mechanism exclusively is nonsense.

Its like saying that because race doesn't exist, population differences across continents and environments in homo sapiens don't exist. Of course they do. Eskimoes are generally small and compact to preserve body heat, Africans are generally tall and slender to disperse more body heat. There's genetic variation across continents and environments. Give it a few hundred thousand years of complete isolation, and you will have seperate species who cannot interbreed. That fact doesn't equate to different races at this moment, but it does mean that there IS differences between populations of humans.

The funny thing is that what should be the least controversial statements, things like "People are different and individuals" and "Life experiences help shape personality" and
"People have the opportunity to make choices which help define them as distinct individuals" are some of the most controversial statements in our hyper faux outraged politically correct society.
 
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I tell all gays to convert immediately.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
The problem with "people are born gay" is that it doesn't matter because ethically people are allowed to choose do what they want so long as it doesn't harm others.
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Try telling that to Duppin. He thinks that if you're born gay there is nothing you can do about it, it's literally a genetic condition that you can never (nor should you conquer) because it's part of who you are.

I reject that notion.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
I suppose if I supported punishment for murder I'd be called a racist because most of murders committed in this country are perpetuated by blacks.

This is how stupid that line of reasoning is. It's not a gay issue, its an anti-decency issue. Much like from my example above, its not a race issue, its a murder issue.
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abortion is a murder issue.
 
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hodj_sl said:
The funny thing is that what should be the least controversial statements, things like "People are different and individuals" and "Life experiences help shape personality" and
"People have the opportunity to make choices which help define them as distinct individuals" are some of the most controversial statements in our hyper faux outraged politically correct society.
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I think the reason for that is that it becomes easy to absolve these groups of responsibility for what they do.

"oh thats OK, he was born gay, he cant help it"

Then it becomes not the responsibility of all these deviant groups (and I dont mean deviant in a negative way) to assimilate into the majority of society, but rather have the majority excuse and court the wishes of all these tiny minorities for the sake of political correctness.

They do the same things with black criminal youth. "Oh its not their fault that they are a violent sociopath, because they grew up in the ghetto, etc.". Except that in this case they cant claim that blacks are born as violent sociopaths (that would be racist, lol), so the narrative has to be twisted to accommodate yet another group.


Bottom line is that if you wanna be a fag, be a fag. I dont need to have you advertise it to me or my kids. I dont need to have north side of Chicago monopolized for an entire weekend every summer with your faggot pageantry. I don't see any heterosexual pride parades.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
I suppose if I supported punishment for murder I'd be called a racist because most of murders committed in this country are perpetuated by blacks.
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Not at all dude. You have this view that gays are handing out literature to 8 year olds and they are upset when that isn't happening. That isn't at all what we are talking about. What we are talking about is people trying to shut down movies like Brokeback Mountain. That don't want any gay relationships (note not talking about sexual) shown on television at all because they are afraid its going to "spread" or something to their kids.
 
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khalid_sl said:
Not at all dude. You have this view that gays are handing out literature to 8 year olds and they are upset when that isn't happening. That isn't at all what we are talking about. What we are talking about is people trying to shut down movies like Brokeback Mountain. That don't want any gay relationships (note not talking about sexual) shown on television at all because they are afraid its going to "spread" or something to their kids.
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BULLSHIT.

See, that's exactly the kind of smear I am talking about. We were discussing this specifically in the context of the Russian law. Guess what, Brokeback Mountain had an age restriction that was only 1 year more than American restriction (American rated R [17 years] vs. Russian rating of 18 years to see it).

The movie was never banned, never prohibited, and if someone wanted to run it in theaters today in Moscow under the new law they could still do so exactly same way as before, with the only restriction being age of 18 to enter and watch. gay plays arent being banned, neither are gay bars, nor gay movies nor whatever other gay shit that you want to go see and participate in. What is being banned is the deprivation of choice from children and their parents about not having their kids exposed to it without their agreement.

People like Duppin are pretending that Russians are orchestrating some sort of gay genocide over there while Western media equates Putin to Hitler and Kristallnacht.

It's pure nonsense designed to stoke anti-Russian flames in the West because there is really nothing else to hate Russians for.

You faggots need to get informed about what the fuck you're talking about
 
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If only your mother could have taken the same advice instead of spreading her legs.
 
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