I can confidently assert that these two examples are sufficient to show economic feasibility. Like I told hodj, if it had been 30 years instead of 3, you'd just be talking about how they were agricultural societies and we're not anymore. There's no actual winning with people that are intellectually dishonest. I think that for the time they did exist and in the conditions they had to endure that their outcomes (at least economically) were amazing and serve as at least a proof of concept that that sort of arrangement could be made to work today. I have a whole other set of arguments ready to go about the moral imperative to try, but those are never going to see the light of day because...again...I'm not talking to intellectually honest people.
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hodj
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CATALONIAN TERROR. - View Article - NYTimes.com
Sure seems like there was an outlet of violence at the time.
There were plenty of people with other desires. That's a weird one to pair with the external threat thing. It's understandable since I think even you can see the weakness of attacking extrinsic (and wholly circumstantial) factors of the particular examples given but still weird (and false).
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He quoted Marx and no one read it, that means he wins!
Dumar, in case you weren't aware, Mikhail has spent much of this thread telling us to ignore Marx, that he wasn't really defining Marxism, and that Socialism doesn't really require Marx or marx's ideas.
Now you're telling us if we don't read Marx chapter and verse, and read a quote over and over until we accept it (I guess the reason you want us to read it over and over it because you hope to brainwash us through repetition) then your side wins the argument.
You guys literally contradict each other.
Its pathetic.
Exactly.
You know they were communist too because uh...well you said so.
You know they were Marxists because they were operating from a Marxist framework and you know they were operating from a Marxist framework because they were Marxists. That's introductory logic.
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Whatever dude. Pol Pot killed a bunch of people and he called himself a socialist. That's all I need to know about socialism.
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If I know a guy who is an engineer, I know it because he works a job in engineering, he claims to be an engineer, I see him with blueprints drawn up going to work in the morning, I see his diploma claiming he's an engineer.
In Mikhail's universe, he concludes the guy is actually a pool boy.
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If communism is so wonderful, why cant it stand on its own merits? Why is EVERY Communist revolution is punctuated by purges and Reigns of Terror, inclduing your beloved Catalonia? Why isnt everyone just buying into the awesomeness of the system?
Yeah, there were people with plenty of other desires and so we killed them, instead of convincing them about the merits of our system.
Its comical that you guys dont see it, human suffering and mass violence isn't some unfortunate byproduct of attempted communism implementations, its in fact the feature and requirement of the system, rather than a bug or flaw.
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Pol Pot didn't just call himself a socialist.
He tried to enact a concept called agrarian socialism.
Agrarian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Agrarian socialism is a socioeconomic political system which combines an agrarian way of life with socialist economic policies.
In Mikhails' universe, trying to enact agrarian socialist economic systems makes you a capitalist.
hodj
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I baked a cake but I am not a cake baker
I built a boat but I am not a boat builder
I ruined a Nation by leading a violent uprising of the proletariats against the bourgeousie and attempted to return the means of production to the workers, but I am not a Communist.
In fact I'm a capitalist. Anyone wanna buy a burger?
How's about a bridge in Detroit? Going super cheap!
I built a boat but I am not a boat builder
I ruined a Nation by leading a violent uprising of the proletariats against the bourgeousie and attempted to return the means of production to the workers, but I am not a Communist.
In fact I'm a capitalist. Anyone wanna buy a burger?
How's about a bridge in Detroit? Going super cheap!
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Khalid, it doesn't matter who you are, our degrees, or what you do, everyone will never be as well versed in any subject as MikSo I have Mikhail on ignore, but I did open up two random ones and both of them were Mikhail loudly proclaiming that he was way smarter than everyone he is debating with. For his own good, someone needs to tell him how silly that makes him sound.
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You know it was communist thought because he was a communist and you know he was a communist because he wrote massive tracts on communist thought. That's introductory logic.
You know it's communist theory because it was written by communists and you know it was written by communists because it's communist theory. That's introductory logic.
You know it was a communist revolution because it was started by communists and you know they were communists because they started a communist revolution. That's introductory logic.
You know it was a communist nation because it had communist policies and you know it had communist policies because it was a communist nation. That's introductory logic.
You know it was a communist party because it right there in the name and that's all that matters. That's introductory logic.
You know they're right to call him a communist because that's the conclusion of your argument. That's introductory logic.
You know it's communist history because it's full of communist stuff happening and you know it was communist stuff happening because it was communist history. That's introductory logic.
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