Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Well obviously the only thing that matters is that they call themselves a communistno matter what they actually believe.
Marx is really good to take out of context, as evidenced by you. As there's literally hundreds of writers, sociologists, anthropologists, and other -ists influenced by Marx and labeling themselves Marxists, it's bound to inspire strong opinion and debate.
The two passages I provided you are key to understanding his thought of what communism is and what it is not, Marx's thought. I'm not defending Lenin's concept of communism, of Stalin's, of Mao's. Maybe they earnestly believed what they were doing was right, no idea (although Lenin was closer than others). Likely they were just using Marx's words to their own gain. It doesn't matter.
The fact is their realization of whatever ideas they had were in terms of an abstract capitalist and a class of people benefiting from the exploitation that the abstract capitalist had over their people.
As the first quote says, evenequality of wagesisn't enough.
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Mik the thing is, people who are considered communist in history you are disregarding and labeling them as something else because your narrow definition doesn't fit.
Everyone is stupid, even many scholars, compared to you. We get it
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hodj
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Mikhail's argument is now "Don't believe what Mao said about what he believed, believe what I tell you about what he believed."
Because Mikhail apparently has a cell phone line straight to Mao's room in the deepest layer of Hell, amirite?
Just give him a call, Mik, ask him if he was a communist or not.
Its not like he left us a massive amount of writing his own thoughts out to read in perpetuity, right?
Yeah I already know you wouldn't engage in an honest argument.
No. That wasn't what they said or what I said they said. JESUS your reading comprehension sucks. What the fuck is wrong with your brain?
Except that capitalists can't point to features which both violate the constraints of capitalism AND are directly link-able to the problems associated with capitalism (that second part is important).
No. My argument isn't that they weren't close enough. My argument is that they were moves in exactly theoppositedirection.
Yeah dude, I got it. You can use the word Communism a lot without ever justifying it based on some set of necessary conditions. For you, there's just one condition and it's always sufficient: the name. Brilliant.
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Ah, the only marxists are Dumar and Mikhail approved ones. That argument. Again.
If a person dedicates their life to studying Marx, and writing Marxist theory. They're a Marxist.
ftfy. The reality is that the next Marxist I argue with will cite two other paragraphs and call them the most important paragraphs to understanding what a true Marxist is. Bad argument continues to be bad. Moreso, is an appeal to authority now.
No, see, it does matter. Why, if those "communists" were only using Marx's words for personal gain, should ANYONE, EVER, EVER AGAIN, not think the same of ANYONE claiming to want to bring about a Marxist revolution?
Hmmm chucklefuck? You're refuting your own credibility with this argument. You're literally saying that the ONLY valid communist revolution is your own. Surprise.that's exactly what Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. all said about THEIR revolutions too
Right, nothing is enough, even if we have to tear the evil people with a tiny percentage more than ourselves apart with claws and teeth!
Derp.
And you wonder how 150 million dead between USSR and China happens. Its right there, in your own words kiddo.
Yeah dude. The soviets were one of the groups the socialists were fighting against. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but just try:Revolutionary Catalonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please.
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Communism is at once a complete system of proletarian ideology and a new social system. It is different from any other ideological and social system, and is the most complete, progressive, revolutionary and rational system in human history. The ideological and social system of feudalism has a place only in the museum of history. The ideological and social system of capitalism has also become a museum piece in one part of the world (in the Soviet Union), while in other countries it resembles "a dying person who is sinking fast, like the sun setting beyond the western hills", and will soon be relegated to the museum. The communist ideological and social system alone is full of youth and vitality, sweeping the world with the momentum of an avalanche and the force of a thunderbolt.--Mao Zedong
Sure sounds like he believed he was a communist
Sure sounds like he believed he was a communist
NO RETARD. I SAID MARX DIDN'T DEFINE SOCIALISM. ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY FUCK UP THIS BADLY? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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Actually, I'd say laughing in the face of someone trying to sell me horseshit coated in chocolate ice cream is the absolute height of honesty, actually.
Uh, you need to read that shit again. I was faux responding to a metaphorical Stormfronter Holocaust denier as in "OH, really, the HOlocaust didn't happen?" The only reading comprehension problem here is yours.
Special pleading again. Forcing children to labor in factories is not an implicit part of capitalism. There's nothing implicitly about Capitalism that says we need to bomb the Middle East for oil, either. In fact Capitalists could very well play the disingenuous denial games and do all the time. But nice strawman you're arguing there.
At the time, they felt they were moving inexactly the right directionand itstheiropinion that matters, not yours.
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Thats where I got my quote from.
Catalonia, in order to hold together its communist utopia resorted to secret police and reign of terror tactics after 2 years and shitted the bed and was defeated by the third.
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You're so mad you must just be reading through straight blood red right now
Except in the real world you're talking about someone who is actually a pool boy passing himself off as an engineer to dipshits like you who think that merely accepting his claims that his job is in engineering is sufficient. If you weren't a fucking idiot, you could try looking at what the necessary conditions are to be an engineer (or out of the metaphor, a socialist) and see if, despite the rhetoric and labels, those things actually apply. That's how a rational person approaches taxonomy.
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Yeah no.
You really gotta take a break bro. You're starting to embarass yourself at this point.
You are conflating the people I'm talking about with the people that crushed them militarily. It's so wrong it's unbelievable.
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