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I dont know if you have heard, but this entire argument evolved from discussion of Russia's 2013 decency law vis-a-vis homosexuality. I supported that law and was attacked for it. I am defending decency laws in that particular context.
I agree. The two examples I gave do show both those things.
I'm not proposing that my opinion that communism is feasible now (really I don't even know what "feasible" is supposed to mean here) be enforced at gunpoint. That's why there's a different burden of proof.
Well, I do agree with them that I don't want little Billy seeing two dudes assram each other while he's eating his Frosted Flakes. But in the real world, it's just not something that's going to happen, precisely because of what they are arguing. Societal norms wouldn't allow that network to stay in business, they would take their money elsewhere. Government regulation is not needed.
How is that any more radical or absurd than calling for the expulsion or death of Muslims like you did after the attack on the soldier in England?
For the sake of the hypothetical, that place is Russia.
You know why you have to do that instead of providing an ethical argument for why that minority should be compelled to remain silent in public places is entirely "might makes right." As soon as the hypothetical changes to one where the majority insisting that they remain silent doesn't have that might then the argument is over. That is not an ethical basis for what you believe. That's just "gays are icky and I don't want to see it and I happen to be in a position where I don't have to." That's not going to be compelling to anyone who didn't already agree with you.
Oh, so now the reason for enforcing laws is to prevent harm. And the only way we can enforce laws in the street is to have a well reasoned and vigorous debate with every thief, robber, murderer and rapist about why its wrong what they are doing. Because otherwise, the use of violence to enforce laws just means that its only used because the laws need to be justified or something
You don't have to want it to occur to think it isn't worth it to absolutely guarantee it doesn't occur.
You posted this today, in this thread.
Nowhere is there any mention of Russia, and since you live in America I assumed you were supporting decency laws in this country. Stupid me I guess....
How will societal norms stop this guy from walking down my street in front of my kids? How will free market and capitalism help me there?
It was quite a doozie. Landed me in the RRP because I wasn't onboard with little billy seeing 2 dudes assramming each other on the park bench while he was flying a kite
My theological convictions? You are the one who seems to be holding an idea that has never been successfully implemented above all others.
If you take your kid to a gay pride parade, without knowing full well he would be exposed to that nonsense, then you are an idiot. There's no involuntary exposure to the gay lifestyle going on there. It's 100% voluntary.How will societal norms stop this guy from walking down my street in front of my kids? How will free market and capitalism help me there?
Isn't it? What's the reason to enforce laws if NOT to prevent harm? I'm really curious what you think here.
No, but youmightwant to have a well reasoned and vigorous debate among your legislators and the people who elect them before and during the time they're planning to curtail freedoms.