Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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A system like that places greater burden and risk on outside players to a point where it would not he worth the rism to trade with them.
Ya in 1918 it may have been possible to have a the raw materials you need, but with modern extraction and mnnufacturing it wouldn't.
Ya in 1918 it may have been possible to have a the raw materials you need, but with modern extraction and mnnufacturing it wouldn't.
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Some hybrid anarchist-communist state seems to be Mik's utopia it seems.
For the ones of us who live in reality and interact in society, we recognize that would be an utter failure that would ultimately result in horror me human suffering.
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UFT probably didnt even think of themselves as communists, they were just people going through a really tough time economically and were stuck in the middle of tsarists fighting the bolsheviks. They were probably suffering tremendously like most of Russia at that time, and that "communism" was probably just a desperate attempt by people with very little to cooperate to just feed themselves.
It might have functioned as some sort of communal communist anarchy, but I doubt it was prosperous at all, people were probably living hand to mouth.
It might have functioned as some sort of communal communist anarchy, but I doubt it was prosperous at all, people were probably living hand to mouth.
Because I've actually done my homework and I know that they were crushed militarily as a result?
Right. But not for the reasons you're implying.
That depends on what your metric of "better" is. If you're talking about justice, it's not even a discussion. If you're talking about raw output, Catalonia did considerably better than the rest of Spain.
I'm assuming here you're again referring to Catalonia. Socialism doesn't require the abolition of currency and really if you look at the system they had in place, they didn't really abolish it there either. In general I think any modern economy would be untenable without currency.
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My "it lasted for 3 years" is referring to it as not being a good example. That is not nearly long enough for that experiment to run to see if their economy and society was truly possible.
The fact that the red army pushed their shit in doesn't matter to that point.
The fact that the red army pushed their shit in doesn't matter to that point.
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How would that shit he have gotten all their raw materials? His would a society like that do it? I gaurentee many nations would not trade with them
These weren't exactly good years. To survive three winters under what were essentially wartime AND depression level stresses while implementing a radically new economic system (and increasing output) that covered literally millions of people isn't the nothing that you're insinuating.
It absolutely matters for your idiotic assertion that it's a system doomed to failure. The fact that it made it "only" three years doesn't tell you that if the reason it "only" made it three years was that it was crushed militarily.
No one with two brain cells to rub together gives a shit about your "gaurentees."
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It looks like they were also Ukrainian nationalists, hoping to establish their own country for the first time, instead of being under Moscow's thumb.
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There isnt a whole lot of concrete, unbiased information on the UFT, bro. I can't help you there.
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It only lasting 3 years means it isn't a good example of communism working because that isn't nearly long enough for a societal experiment to run.
God damn that's like throwing bleach on cancer cells and stating bleach cures cancer but never doing the same test on healthy cells.
God damn that's like throwing bleach on cancer cells and stating bleach cures cancer but never doing the same test on healthy cells.
Then maybe you should refrain from inventing whatever narrative best suits your purposes.
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There's no such thing as a "societal experiment." That is not a thing. Even if it had lasted 30 years, you'd just be pointing to how they were agricultural societies and today we live in an information economy. The only burden I have to show is that it's feasible (these examples do show that) and that it's ethically superior (which is an argument you haven't even broached but of course you wouldn't because that's just some of that lame ass philosophy bullshit and they don't talk about that on the TEE-vee.
God damn that's like throwing bleach on cancer cells and stating bleach cures cancer but never doing the same test on healthy cells.[/QUOTE]
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