Not when that ownership is used for exploitation (see: chattel slavery). If the ownership isn't valid (and it isn't) then there's no "stealing" about it.
Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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hodj
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Look at that vast oversimplification that ignores entire industries built up from scratch.
Its like they literally have the worst arguments in existence.
Some people have money, and squander it. Some people have money, and make more of it. Some people have no money, and never make any. Some people have no money, and make lots. Some people have no money, win the lottery, and in a year or two, have no money again. In fact most people who win the lottery follow that trajectory.
Curt Schilling had tons of money. All gone now.
Its like they literally have the worst arguments in existence.
Some people have money, and squander it. Some people have money, and make more of it. Some people have no money, and never make any. Some people have no money, and make lots. Some people have no money, win the lottery, and in a year or two, have no money again. In fact most people who win the lottery follow that trajectory.
Curt Schilling had tons of money. All gone now.
It is an oversimplification, but it doesn't fail to capture the reality of the situation (anecdotes aside).
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Equating modern worker/business owner relations with chattel slavery is lol.
This argument might work better in China bro. Have you considered moving there?
Your logical fallacy is begging the question
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meh. i thought we were talking about ideal conditions. reality is like that tho.
No it doesn't, because anecdotes aren't a valid basis for deciding how to arrange a society.
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A review for Mikhail and Dumar
If your argument includes any of these, its a bad argument and you're very possibly incorrect. At the very least, you have failed to support your premise with proper evidence, and will need to further support your argument with valid evidence to help qualify your conclusions
If your argument includes any of these, its a bad argument and you're very possibly incorrect. At the very least, you have failed to support your premise with proper evidence, and will need to further support your argument with valid evidence to help qualify your conclusions
I don't have to "equate" it to point out the similarities along the vector of exploitation. That's retarded. Fuck, I forgot who I was talking to.
It's not begging the question when I've explicitly given an argument supporting the premise (especially when your only dumbdumb counterargument is "PFFT").
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Then why are you employing constant anecdotes about chattel slavery and possibly bosses being incompetent as a justification for the entire basis of your argument?
You showing a list of logical fallacies is the zenith of irony. I don't think I've ever talked to someone who uses more logical fallacies.
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What similarities? When was the last time you were beaten and forced to labor for 16 hours a day with meagre gruel for food and no recompense?
There are no similarities
Your example is an anecdote and your assertion includes your conclusion in its premise. Your entire argument is predicated on a begging the question fallacy of presumption that all relations in the context of capitalism can only be exploitative because your IDEOLOGY says so as a product of the conclusions of labor value theory. LTV has never been proven in any quantifiable fashion, in fact is rejected by mainstream economic theorists. Your anecdote isn't close to reality in any modern industrialized nation, and your entire position is predicated on an assertion that is shown to be false.
I dunno what to tell you. Begging the question fallacy is begging the question.
Why do both you and Dumar rely on fallacy logic to support your points of view?
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If Mikhail's story about chattel slave owning incompetent bosses isn't based on his real world observations, and thus an anecdote, then his entire argument falls apart because it is based solely on fantasy villains he's made up in his head.
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Why don't you guys look up the definition sometime?
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Derp.
Why don't you guys look up the definition sometime?
I might think you're doing this on purpose but you also don't know what anecdote means so I'm really not sure.
Your example is an anecdote and your assertion includes your conclusion in its premise. Your entire argument is predicated on a begging the question fallacy of presumption that all relations in the context of capitalism can only be exploitative because your IDEOLOGY says so as a product of the conclusions of labor value theory. LTV has never been proven in any quantifiable fashion, in fact is rejected by mainstream economic theorists. Your anecdote isn't close to reality in any modern industrialized nation, and your entire position is predicated on an assertion that is shown to be false.
I dunno what to tell you. Begging the question fallacy is begging the question.
Why do both you and Dumar rely on fallacy logic to support your points of view?[/QUOTE]
LOL
You think anecodotes aren't based on real world observations?!? LOL
Jesus man. Wherever you're getting an education...ask for a refund.
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