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If you speak the language you can see an Afghan review the weapons that were left when the US left.

 
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Supposedly the F-35 that went off into the SCS (from reddit).

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Big Phoenix

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Supposedly the F-35 that went off into the SCS (from reddit).

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This really highlights the absurdity of stealth. What happens when an F35 goes down in a hostile environment that allows the enemy to easily recover it? What then? Just well guys stealth had a good run but these airplanes we spent $200+ million each on are now no better than a F15?

That dynamic didnt even work for the F117. Shot down by random serbians.
 
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Masakari

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This really highlights the absurdity of stealth. What happens when an F35 goes down in a hostile environment that allows the enemy to easily recover it? What then? Just well guys stealth had a good run but these airplanes we spent $200+ million each on are now no better than a F15?

That dynamic didnt even work for the F117. Shot down by random serbians.

Yes, my biggest criticism.
 

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I think this is fake, driven by a Chinese news website.

Would not shock me at all if the galaxy brains who designed that never once thought about the corrosive aspects of sea use.

After all the designers of the Navy's LCS forgot galvanic corrosion was a thing.
 
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Would not shock me at all if the galaxy brains who designed that never once thought about the corrosive aspects of sea use.

After all the designers of the Navy's LCS forgot galvanic corrosion was a thing.

After hearing the Navy guys at work talk about how often they had to clean their jets, holy shit glad I was air force. Ours only get a legit thorough wash rack treatment once every 6 months, otherwise it's up to the crew chiefs to keep them presentable.
 

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Wonder how this works against drones diving at 100-200mph

 
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Wonder how this works against drones diving at 100-200mph

Isn't that the puma's cannon? Haha it's not gonna be any more cost-effective in that use-case than it is on the puma. It already looks like each burst costs about 10x more than each drone it's mostly missing.
 

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Isn't that the puma's cannon? Haha it's not gonna be any more cost-effective in that use-case than it is on the puma. It already looks like each burst costs about 10x more than each drone it's mostly missing.
Not sure. Irony is weve had plenty of weapon systems that did that in the past like the M-163 or LAV-AD that have long since been retired.

Also, good video on how utterly broken military procurement is in this country;

 
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phisey

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LCS was an absolute clownshow. The doctrine that lead to its existence is at fault, not procurement or design or execution. The notion that we would never have a naval peer and would spend the next few decades patrolling littoral waters was absolute dumbshittery.

We could've had the FFGX in service and the Constellation as the replacement for the Tico on drydocks by now.
 

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not procurement or design or execution.
Nah the procurement and design was some next level retardation. The Navy was too retarded to settle on a design so they had one of each design built so they could test each and decide on one. But after that was done they just said fuck it and built both designs.

Then there was the fact the key concept of the LCS, a quickly configurable vessel was a complete failure as well as none of the concepts it would use ever came into existence. The whole sub hunting drone never worked so no asw mission, the missile that was being developed for it was canceled(by the army lawl) so no strike capability.

Then there was the design flaw in one of the classes. The galaxy brain engineers who designed it forgot galvanic corrosion was a thing so that caused some big maintenance issues for the design which required rework.

Then yeah you get to the end game of the idea of small lightly armed vessels conducting ops in littoral waters being absolutely retarded in the age of supersonic ship killing missiles and endless drones. So they get regulated to drug interdiction.
 

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Isn't that the puma's cannon? Haha it's not gonna be any more cost-effective in that use-case than it is on the puma. It already looks like each burst costs about 10x more than each drone it's mostly missing.
I mean, isn't it less about how much the drone costs and more about how much it's gonna cost if you don't stop it?
 
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phisey

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I mean, isn't it less about how much the drone costs and more about how much it's gonna cost if you don't stop it?
Yes, but then it turns into how many countermeasures you can have on board before you run out and overwhelmed by incoming weapons. Whichever side overcomes the other first wins or loses everything.

That's why magazine depth is the most important dimension in contemporary and future combat. The Rolling Airframe missile platform was an attempt at a high magazine-depth interceptor, but it's already useless against terminal-phase ballistic weapons and it's overkill against drones or dummy vampires. Directed energy weapons are the obvious answer, with railguns being second, but since they top out at about a hundred bucks per shot versus half a million per RIM-116, you can already tell which side the raytheon lobbyists have been leaning on for the last two decades.
 
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